Madeleine McCann's parents

Schlong&Stable · 15 Oct 2013 at 17:24

I am normally not one for conspiracy theory nonsense, but I have always suspected they were guilty and am certain they know exactly what happened. But even if they were not involved, they were still responsible for their gross negligence and should have their children taken away from them.

Xordium · 15 Oct 2013 at 17:41

Django x2 said:
As I say, apparently...

And I said apparently you are wrong in your statement there. Unless you are willing to provide me with an actual credible source that details that and takes in to consideration the potential for DNA markers from familial sources.

oldbag · 15 Oct 2013 at 17:43

Why did Gerry go in the apartment, notice the door was more ajar than it was before, simply close it and not bother to check who was in there?

I suspect and it's my opinion that they were drinking much most of the time, probably the whole tapas 9 were, which makes it even worse....

oldbag · 15 Oct 2013 at 17:44

Why did Gerry go in the apartment, notice the door was more ajar than it was before, simply close it and not bother to check who was in there?

I suspect and it's my opinion that they were drinking much most of the time, probably the whole tapas 9 were, which makes it even worse....

Weird double post.

oldbag · 15 Oct 2013 at 17:48

Plus if the kidnappers did go out the kids bedroom window, why did no one hear anything? Those percianas make noise to open.

estebanrey · 15 Oct 2013 at 18:14

Django x2 said:
Sadly, this isn't a 9/11 conspiracy theory, the evidence against the Mcanns is overwhelmingly compelling

OK here's a question for you...

"If the McCanns are responsible for Maddy's death then why do they continue to push the story in the media, why did they push for the MET to investigate?"

Think about it for a second, the McCanns could have easily ridden out the first few months of crying for the cameras then just said "we want to be left alone" and the story would have gone away. It is them that keeps it in the media and keeps pushing for further investigations. That would be utterly stupid if you did it given every new investigation could find the smoking gun that points at them.

koolpc · 15 Oct 2013 at 18:14

With all this on the net, surely the authorities have to investigate properly?

Schlong&Stable · 15 Oct 2013 at 18:17

estebanrey said:
OK here's a question for you...

"If the McCanns are responsible for Maddy's death then why do they continue to push the story in the media, why did they push for the MET to investigate?"

Think about it for a second, the McCanns could have easily ridden out the first few months of crying for the cameras then just said "we want to be left alone" and the story would have gone away. It is them that keeps it in the media and keeps pushing for further investigations. That would be utterly stupid if you did it given every new investigation could find the smoking gun that points at them.

Because they are not rational thinkers. They are either in too deep, or love the media spotlight.

arknor · 15 Oct 2013 at 18:21

Suarez7 said:
I have a feeling I'll visit this forum in 50 years time and this thread will still be active.

after one of the mcanns is on their deathbed and admits what really happened sure

McBain · 15 Oct 2013 at 18:38

Castiel said:
Some people seem to regard the McCanns as victims...they are not, Their daughter was the victim, not once but twice...the victim of parental indifference/neglect and the victim of some as yet undefined kidnapping/murder/disappearence.

Bingo.

estebanrey · 15 Oct 2013 at 18:39

Thompson_NCL said:
Because they are not rational thinkers. They are either in too deep, or love the media spotlight.

Or, they had their child kidnapped and are trying to keep the story alive as that increases the chance of a resolution.

Occam's Razor and all that...

Sliver · 15 Oct 2013 at 18:45

estebanrey said:
Or, they had their child kidnapped and are trying to keep the story alive as that increases the chance of a resolution.

Occam's Razor and all that...

I agree, however, regarding Occam's Razor, the simplest explanation is not necessarily the correct one.

My personal opinion on this case is that Madeleine McCann is most likely dead and her parents are basically striving to uncover what happened and where her body is. I hope I'm wrong, but history tells us that this is the most probable outcome.

oldbag · 15 Oct 2013 at 18:47

Have you seen the price of replacement blades for that razor? Sheesh..

estebanrey · 15 Oct 2013 at 18:51

Sliver said:
I agree, however, regarding Occam's Razor, the simplest explanation is not necessarily the correct one.

Technically Occam's razor refers to the hypothesis that makes the 'least assumptions' rather than being just the simplest but that's minor semantics.

The point is OR doesn't say the theory with the least assumptions is the correct one, it says it's the 'more likely' one and should be selected in the absence of extra information.

So unless the CTers have info the rest of us don't then OR suggests they are backing the wrong horse by sustaining the belief it's a cover-up on the McCann's part.

Sliver · 15 Oct 2013 at 18:56

estebanrey said:
Technically Occam's razor refers to the hypothesis that makes the 'least assumptions' rather than being just the simplest but that's minor semantics.

The point is OR doesn't say the theory with the least assumptions is the correct one, it says it's the 'more likely' one and should be selected in the absence of extra information.

So unless the CTers have info the rest of us don't then OR suggests they are backing the wrong horse by sustaining the belief it's a cover-up on the McCann's part.

Thanks for the logical lesson, but I do understand the premise of Occam's Razor as it applies to a hobby of mine, theological debates.

There is certainly no cover up on the McCann's part. Anyone who suggests that is wearing a tin foil hat.

arknor · 15 Oct 2013 at 18:58

certainly is a powerful word

StriderX · 15 Oct 2013 at 19:02

At this moment in time, if they did find her, i still wouldn't care.

That boat has sailed...probably with her.

elmarko · 15 Oct 2013 at 19:05

estebanrey said:
Technically Occam's razor refers to the hypothesis that makes the 'least assumptions' rather than being just the simplest but that's minor semantics.

The point is OR doesn't say the theory with the least assumptions is the correct one, it says it's the 'more likely' one and should be selected in the absence of extra information.

So unless the CTers have info the rest of us don't then OR suggests they are backing the wrong horse by sustaining the belief it's a cover-up on the McCann's part.

How do you know exactly how many assumptions are on each side of the debate?.

The most basic assumption could be that the parents killed her, as it's statistically the most probable & doesn't require all of the sniffer dog evidence (along with all the other inconsistencies to be a coincidence).

Without having a full list of all the known variables (with a weighing on each one based on the probability) then it's hardly constitutes a visit to tinfoil city to think the parents may have done it.

Destination · 15 Oct 2013 at 19:06

Sliver said:
There is certainly no cover up on the McCann's part. Anyone who suggests that is wearing a tin foil hat.

Are you certain that they haven't covered anything up? Such as the potential for giving the kids some medicine at bedtime to make sure they slept quite thoroughly?
Mightn't be related to the later disappearance, but are you certain such a thing didn't occur?

Sliver · 15 Oct 2013 at 19:16

Hikari Kisugi said:
Are you certain that they haven't covered anything up? Such as the potential for giving the kids some medicine at bedtime to make sure they slept quite thoroughly?
Mightn't be related to the later disappearance, but are you certain such a thing didn't occur?

I'm as certain as I can be given what has transpired since her disappearance. Obviously I don't know what happened as I was not there, but the burden of proof is not mine to defend. The burden of proof is on the tin foil hat brigade, who I'm pleased to find are a minority, but insist that her parents are guilty.

You can not just assert that 'X' is true, you need to provide evidence to back up that assertion.

In Western society, we address only one prong of an accusation in a court of law. This is Guilt. We do not address Innocence. The same applies to evaluating truth claims in a logical and rational way. Until something asserted has sufficient evidence, we reject it. In this case, all we know is that Madeleine went missing while her parents were at dinner. Anything else asserted from that point onwards needs to have sufficient evidence to be accepted. Right now, nobody knows yet.