Greenlizard0 Weekend Football Thread ** spoilers ** [19 - 21st October 2013]

You see Ramsey on the wing? Done a few shuffles, cryuff turned 2 players then back heeled through to a player.

My jaw ricocheted off the floor at that point :p

Even his goal was a few brilliant dummies.

I know being a Newcastle fan makes me biased but I loved seeing Dummets face and interview. Nice in this day and age to see a young lad come through for a team he supports.

yeah great goal and some of the skills Ramsey was showing down the left turning 2 players and then back heeling it , he really is on fire at present.
 
RvP and Rooney were just unlucky to hit the bar rather than score, it was that close to a solid 3 points. Believe it or not these matches happened under Fergie as well,

Yeah, but the difference is that under Fergie, when Man Utd played badly or got unlucky, they wouldn't drop to 8th place.

And with regards to Man Utd getting to play 3 top teams in the first few matches - we scores 1 pt from 9. Under Fergie, this just wouldnt happen.

Don't get me wrong - Moyes does need time. No doubt about it. This is why I say give him till Jan 1st. This way, he will has another 2.5 months to begin a run of wins, which will calm things down.

A thought just crossed my mind - when was the last time that Man Utd finished outside the top 2 in the league? Can someone answer this?
 
An awful first half but a very entertaining second. The Cardiff game plan was time wasting. Some of the goals were memorable :p:


Eto'os first Chelsea goal 2:20
Oscar cracker 3:33
 
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It would seem that Moyes wasn't in fact doing a great job at Everton, but actually holding them back /troll

Some incredible goals this weekend... most of them scored by Arsenal. I haven't checked in here for a while. Is DM at least showing a tiny bit of optimism?

Yes, and no, today was a mostly fantastic performance bar Sagna at 2-1 I think(maybe 3-1) doing what Kos did last game in that he just rammed someone going for a header inside the box, clear as day penalty, he missed the ball, kneed him in the back and maybe caught him in the head as well. That's about the 4th penalty/stupid card he should have got and didn't this season. Complete liability, his delivery was poor.

People should be likely won't notice the significant difference in Arsenal in the past few games and earlier in the season. There were closer games, we dominated less and the play was significantly different.

I said ALL last season there were basically two Arsenal's, games where Giroud played with Podolski and Santi, and players played off Giroud. Pass to Giroud who was in good positions and played throughballs, flicked it over the top, did some great things. Other games we either played Gervinho upfront or on the wing and GIroud was being used differently, trying to get in behind, crossing the ball more, we were significantly less good.

The problem is we have a fractured team, Walcott/Gervinho, Rosicky want to play people in behind the defence, aren't great at passing and the 1-2's are usually non existent, though Rosicky had his moments. Another team, which is now Ozil, Ramsey, Wilshire, Caz, Giroud who play yesterdays style of football. Having 5 guys in offence all playing the same style of football has had a monumental effect in quality of our play. We may have won games all season but make absolutely no mistake, we haven't looked as good as yesterday really at any stage all season but the last few games we've been building towards this.

I've said for god knows how many years, Walcott is utter turd, completely, you get 5 mins of useful football(if lucky) a game, you win titles with guys who have 5 bad minutes but 85 useful minutes of movement, work, effort. We've looked a much much MUCH more linked up and complete team in offence since he got injured. Caz wasn't brilliant yesterday neither did I expect it first game back, but he was effective, in space, making passes and linking well and a million times better than Walcott.

Defensively.... Sagna should have conceded a penalty at a difficult time and Gibbs "attempt" to block the shot that was a goal was frankly pathetic.

This year we're attacking more and having less overall possession, the opposition is having more shots, we're conceding quite a lot and not looking solid against anyone defensively. Gibbs and Sagna are still huge weak points, Kos is still prone to ridiculous mistakes and Mert's clearance was woeful, 99% of CB's would have put that behind for a corner rather than swing with the wrong foot at that ball trying to put it down the field.


What Arsenal need, is to continue playing people who play the same way in the same team. The offence as was yesterday was fantastic, the defence wasn't. Ramsey was great later in the game much further forward but when he came on playing deeper he was conceding possession and Norwich were getting back in the game. There is a reason he looks so much better this year, completely different role, helped by playing the right holding midfield players and relieving Ramsey of that responsibility. Any time he's had to drop deeper he's looked meh, offensively he's been brilliant.

Where I'm not optimistic is, will we whack Walcott back in the team, will we fix the fullback problem, or will Wenger continue his shoving favourites into the team when others are playing miles better.

Arsenal for the past what 5 years, up the wing, stop pass back to defence, get stuck outside the box. Wingers, particularly Walcott, who have no idea how to break down teams, have woeful movement and poor passing. There was a complete absence of that yesterday, when in tight spots, Ozil/Caz/Wilshire had no problem being in space, making the passes.

If we keep the team as is and improve at fullback this could be a push back to a title winning team. If we once again(like we have every year for 6-7 years) push Walcott back into the team, Diaby when fit... who knows.

I said as much when we bought Monreal, and was mocked for being negative then low and behold, Monreal was dropped for Gibbs who still is rather rubbish.

Our big issue is defensive solidity, we gave Norwich 11 shots and 6 on target, a nailed on penalty wasn't given, and this is a team that can't score to save their lives. If you look at how many shots the opposition has had this year, how often we've conceded, we're not dominating the same way and conceding shots all over the place. Fulham had 16 shots with 7 on target compared to our 19, almost the only team to have significantly less possession and shots than us was Villa :p

We even let Stoke have 10 shots and half the possession. If we're going to play this way, which I encourage, we also need MUCH better fullbacks and in the future one much more mobile CB than Mert and one much less brain farty CB than Kos.
 
An awful first half but a very entertaining second. The Cardiff game plan was time wasting. Some of the goals were memorable :p:


Eto'os first Chelsea goal 2:20
Oscar cracker 3:33

wow, I wondered what everyone was on about as 90% of the clips and most of the replays of that goal start from Hazard passing to Eto'o who just falls over a bit and I couldn't work out what was so wrong with that.

The replay you want is about 1:40-50 into that video which shows how the ball ended up with Hazard to start with, how the ref's haven't seen that/have given it I don't know.... then again I have never even remotely understood why both GK's need to bounce the ball nor why players aren't allowed to attempt to block kicks/nick the ball in those situations.
 
Second win of the season?

Still think you lot are at the wrong end of the table.

We are at the wrong end, we have a squad of mostly good players. There are impostors as well though, like Collins and Doyle. We should be fine with the right manager, I'm practically praying for either Robinson or Clough. I'd love either of them. And people keep linking us with Pulis, which will get me crying in my weetabix. :(

Can't wait for January really, hopefully we can buy a real footballer for Maguire to learn from. :)
 
My choice has been Mourinho from the get-go.
If you want to silverware, he is the best in the business.

He could very well be but honestly i couldnt see you getting him due to the way he is ie the ****storm he left behind at Real for example. Personally i couldnt see Fergie recommending Mourinho to take over from him, hes a loose cannon when things dont go his way.

We're only pulling your leg :)

:D:cool::p:):o:D;)

:D i dont mind you pulling my leg Gimp as you are one of my favourite posters in here but when the likes of Stewy and others do it, it annoys me so i put them on my ignore list.

Meh anyways hoping Villa give the Spurs another defeat, that will put the icing on the cake for me on this weekend.
 
He could very well be but honestly i couldnt see you getting him due to the way he is ie the ****storm he left behind at Real for example. Personally i couldnt see Fergie recommending Mourinho to take over from him, hes a loose cannon when things dont go his way.

Of course he is risk.
But his results are not in question.
He states that he is the special one and puts that reputation on the line, every year.
Ancelotti and Capello are also results oriented.

For me, in the Summer, I'd have gone for Mourinho and told him that his target for the next 3 years is to win the title twice and the champions league once. I think this would've been achievable. For Moyes, an achievable target would be to finish top 8 every year and to qualify for the CL once, in the 3 years.

Defending a 1-0 lead AT OLD TRAFFORD is terribly unambitious.
 
Today's team to face Aston Villa:

Lloris; Walker, Chiriches, Vertonghen, Dawson; Townsend, Sigurdsson, Paulinho, Sandro, Holtby; Soldado.

Spurs subs: Friedel, Naughton, Dembele, Lennon, Lamela, Eriksen, Defoe.
 
Yeah, but the difference is that under Fergie, when Man Utd played badly or got unlucky, they wouldn't drop to 8th place.

And with regards to Man Utd getting to play 3 top teams in the first few matches - we scores 1 pt from 9. Under Fergie, this just wouldnt happen.

Don't get me wrong - Moyes does need time. No doubt about it. This is why I say give him till Jan 1st. This way, he will has another 2.5 months to begin a run of wins, which will calm things down.

A thought just crossed my mind - when was the last time that Man Utd finished outside the top 2 in the league? Can someone answer this?

Thats not giving him anywhere near the amount of time needed with the squad Utd have (which everyone agreed was below standard over the last two seasions)

As above its not his fault the squad is in the condition it is now.

Why would Mourinho be able to do at Utd (in regards to the CL at least) what he couldnt do with a much better squad at Madrid? Thats completely illogical (especially considering what he got given /improved at Madrid compared to Utd)

Also not a chance he would have been around for a long time, I would much prefer to give the new guy (who ever it was) time to develop their own team and grow with the club than have someone like Mourinho in for a season or two and then leave.

For the record I dont believe you are a Utd "supporter" in the slightest. Im pretty sure in the last season or so you were in here supporting someone else
 
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