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Cuda on the Mac Pro is a big thing though, and for years now NVIDIA have been the only ones to offer several generations of cards that just work in the Mac Pro, either via OSX drivers or drivers Directly from NVIDIA.
This gives me good OpenGL, CUDA, and OpenCL
What I don't like about the new mac pro is forcing people to have to have Dual GPU's, and making them AMD only, along with what looks like a proprietary board for them.
Also Phil taking about how we know how expensive the D300's are, is all rubbish. There's no data on the cards at all, although looking at the specs they look like rebranded and weakened FirePro W5000s. Okay cards, but not amazing.
People have already see that flashing a normal 7xxx card with the Apple EFI, get's the card recognised as a FirePro in Mavericks, while in Mountain Lion they're still seen as AMD Radeon 7xxx series cards.
Considering the new D300, D500, and D700's don't have as much RAM as the current Firepro's I think they could just be flashed normal cards. I also don't recall seeing ECC memory mentioned on these new cards for the Mac Pro. :/
All in all the base spec Mac Pro looks rubbish in all specs, bar the SSD Speeds, even then 256GB is kind of small considering you'll have to heavily invest in Thunderbolt external storage arrays which can cost around half the price of the machine it self.
I paid £1850 for the Mac Pro in my signature, and if you look at benchmarks for multi-threaded work for the new Ivy-bridge, compared to my current CPU, there's not that much of an improvement.
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/core_i7_4960x_processor_review,12.html
And that's with the new Flagship CPU being 6 core variant.
This means that the new Quad-core mac pro will perform quite similar to my current system, if not just barely inching ahead.
This gives me good OpenGL, CUDA, and OpenCL
What I don't like about the new mac pro is forcing people to have to have Dual GPU's, and making them AMD only, along with what looks like a proprietary board for them.
Also Phil taking about how we know how expensive the D300's are, is all rubbish. There's no data on the cards at all, although looking at the specs they look like rebranded and weakened FirePro W5000s. Okay cards, but not amazing.
People have already see that flashing a normal 7xxx card with the Apple EFI, get's the card recognised as a FirePro in Mavericks, while in Mountain Lion they're still seen as AMD Radeon 7xxx series cards.
Considering the new D300, D500, and D700's don't have as much RAM as the current Firepro's I think they could just be flashed normal cards. I also don't recall seeing ECC memory mentioned on these new cards for the Mac Pro. :/
All in all the base spec Mac Pro looks rubbish in all specs, bar the SSD Speeds, even then 256GB is kind of small considering you'll have to heavily invest in Thunderbolt external storage arrays which can cost around half the price of the machine it self.
I paid £1850 for the Mac Pro in my signature, and if you look at benchmarks for multi-threaded work for the new Ivy-bridge, compared to my current CPU, there's not that much of an improvement.
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/core_i7_4960x_processor_review,12.html
And that's with the new Flagship CPU being 6 core variant.
This means that the new Quad-core mac pro will perform quite similar to my current system, if not just barely inching ahead.
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Yup, as normal.
For some there is most certainly, and if that suits you needs well you should.
Personally I'll be wait for detailed reviews, and dissections of the new Mac Pro.
Although I'll most likely keep my current system until the second or 3rd gen of this new Mac Pro line before I make my final decision.
To be fair, looking around at some of the specialist workstation vendors, the Mac Pro doesn't seem bad value.
Most were close for just a single GPU card system and no PCI-e storage which I believe is more expensive than SATA anyway?
Most were close for just a single GPU card system and no PCI-e storage which I believe is more expensive than SATA anyway?
Hmm, you're quite right. Apple somehow got the FirePro's at one hell of a discount. Although more likely they worked with AMD for a semi custom solution, like they have done with Intel in the past.
Here's quick system you can spec up at BOXX that matches the new Mac Pro.
Even the 6 core Mac Pro comes out cheaper, quite interesting really.
Then though if you go to the likes of HP, you can get a much better deal than the MP in some cases.
Although it highlights that the MP isn't so bad, it's mainly it's form factor that's the main limiting point.
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Spec wise D500 are somewhere between HD7850 and HD7870.
HD7850
1024 Stream Processors
256-bit-wide memory bus
153.6GB/s memory bandwidth
1.76 teraflops
D300
1280 stream processors
256-bit-wide memory bus
160GB/s memory bandwidth
2 teraflops
D500
1526 stream processors
384-bit-wide memory bus
240GB/s memory bandwidth
2.2 teraflops
HD7870
1280 Stream Processors
256-bit-wide memory bus
153.6GB/s memory bandwidth
2.56 teraflops
D700
2048 stream processors
384-bit-wide memory bus
264GB/s memory bandwidth
3.5 teraflops
HD7850
1024 Stream Processors
256-bit-wide memory bus
153.6GB/s memory bandwidth
1.76 teraflops
D300
1280 stream processors
256-bit-wide memory bus
160GB/s memory bandwidth
2 teraflops
D500
1526 stream processors
384-bit-wide memory bus
240GB/s memory bandwidth
2.2 teraflops
HD7870
1280 Stream Processors
256-bit-wide memory bus
153.6GB/s memory bandwidth
2.56 teraflops
D700
2048 stream processors
384-bit-wide memory bus
264GB/s memory bandwidth
3.5 teraflops
You might find this intereting.
Give a 7870 an Apple EFI, and it's instantly seen as the D500.
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1659453
This means the D300's are going to pants though, in all regards. Personally I'd want at least a D700 if you're going to be doing intensive graphical or compute wise.
Looks like I certainly will be waiting for at least the 2nd gen of the new Mac Pro line, for overall improvements before considering the new MP.
Current conversion on XE $3000 = € 2,172.82
Vat at 23% on that is €2,672.57
So an extra mack up of €426.33 after Vat has been added.
I envy those yanks that can buy items Vat free in some states.
The irish Apple site claims the €3099 includes a vat charge of €580, which means if I bought it vat free it would €2519, which is still nearly a €400 markup over the US price.
Vat at 23% on that is €2,672.57
So an extra mack up of €426.33 after Vat has been added.
I envy those yanks that can buy items Vat free in some states.
The irish Apple site claims the €3099 includes a vat charge of €580, which means if I bought it vat free it would €2519, which is still nearly a €400 markup over the US price.
So it's a tad more than the UK markup - £279/€327.
There always has been and always will be a markup outside the USA. Tends to slip peoples mind that USA prices are displayed without sales taxes, which vary by state. EU prices have to be displayed with local VAT included. Makes you realised how much VAT really is nowadays. Oh for the old 12.5% rate....
There always has been and always will be a markup outside the USA. Tends to slip peoples mind that USA prices are displayed without sales taxes, which vary by state. EU prices have to be displayed with local VAT included. Makes you realised how much VAT really is nowadays. Oh for the old 12.5% rate....
Yes, but in the some states there is no sales tax, which makes people look at those prices even more enviously.
Irish vat as also never touched 12%, the lowest was 16.36% in 1972.
I wonder how much a n 8core- dual D700, with at least 512GB SSD is going to cost. :/
Irish vat as also never touched 12%, the lowest was 16.36% in 1972.
I wonder how much a n 8core- dual D700, with at least 512GB SSD is going to cost. :/
Hong Kong, which enjoys no sales tax, also has the same prices as the US. EUR 2185 for the lower spec, and EUR 2915 for the hex core.So it's a tad more than the UK markup - £279/€327.
There always has been and always will be a markup outside the USA. Tends to slip peoples mind that USA prices are displayed without sales taxes, which vary by state. EU prices have to be displayed with local VAT included. Makes you realised how much VAT really is nowadays. Oh for the old 12.5% rate....
The latter is cheaper than Eire prices by more than EUR 1000! That literally pays for a round-trip flight and a night in a really nice hotel... amazing.
Just for giggles, I also priced out rMBP 15" with dGPU and CPU/1TB upgrade. In Hong Kong it's equivalent to EUR 2372, in the UK it's equivalent to EUR 3286 and in Eire it's EUR 3348. Yikes...
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Just saw the Apple.ie prices for the new mac pro
base spec : €3099
hex core : €4099
I can't help but feel I'm being gipped by Apple here, even with them and their irish company branch here getting lots of tax relief.
OMG the PC u could get for that price would be phenomenal
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