OMG the PC u could get for that price would be phenomenal
Not really, not if you want workstation parts. Just scroll up, I posted a similar specced workstation from BOXX, and it's actually more expensive.
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Not really, not if you want workstation parts. Just scroll up, I posted a similar specced workstation from BOXX, and it's actually more expensive.
Same applied with the previous Mac Pros. When launched, similar workstations from Dell, HP , whoever couldn't compete on price for a similar spec. Xeons and workstation graphics cards don't come cheap.
Quite true.
Here's a screenshot of my attempt to build a similar specced workstation with the cheapest I could get.
Note that the RAM is 1600Mhz, instead of 1866Mhz, the Processor is 100Mhz slower, and the PCIe SSD( which is not enterprise class ) is 200MB/s slower in all regards.
The chassis is cheap rubbish, and there's no Thunderbolt 2, or support for the faster ECC 1866Mhz RAM
Adding an Enterprise PCIe SSD which exceeds 1GB/s speeds is an extra £1000 right on top. Then take into account that you do not have a unified warranty or support service from buying all those parts separately, along with not being able to run OSX..(legally).
Workstations and the parts cost a lot, not only because of unique technology for their use, but also for dedicated drivers and support.
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Also here's another inferior Workstation with similar( but slower over all ) specs to the base mac pro.
It costs as much as the 6core dual D500/W7000 Mac Pro.
This actually makes the Mac Pro look like a bargain... especially with it's listed savings of $1714 lol
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People has this idea that Apple is expensive and they will continue to sing the same song, generations after generations, release after release.
They "may" be right a month or so before the refresh as PC parts drop in price weekly, monthly. But for most of the year after the initial release/refresh, a Mac is a good value machine.
They "may" be right a month or so before the refresh as PC parts drop in price weekly, monthly. But for most of the year after the initial release/refresh, a Mac is a good value machine.
Won't run Final Cut Pro tho
It's not 2006 any more though, Premiere isn't utter garbage any more and Media Composer won't cost you as much as a house. Final Cut Pro doesn't have the license to print money it once did, partly because the new version is awful and partly because the competition has upped its game.
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I'll stick with Apple branded hardware. It just works. My old P35 C2Q machine ran OS X very well, but there's too many little problems (eg power management) for them to be a candidate for serious workstation usage.
In fact I'm installing Mavericks on my Haswell box right now to see what happens...
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Those that can and like to build PCs will always think Hackintosh is an alternative.
Those that just want a computer that works, like me, people bought Macs for that reason will never go Hackintosh. The beauty of Apple Macs is that because they build the machine for you and build the OS for you is that they know it works.
I upgraded all 3 machines to Maverick on launch night, no reinstall (wasn't even considered), All it took was a couple of mouse clicks and a reboot and done in a couple of hours for all 3 machines.
I wouldn't dreamt of doing that when I was on windows.
Those that just want a computer that works, like me, people bought Macs for that reason will never go Hackintosh. The beauty of Apple Macs is that because they build the machine for you and build the OS for you is that they know it works.
I upgraded all 3 machines to Maverick on launch night, no reinstall (wasn't even considered), All it took was a couple of mouse clicks and a reboot and done in a couple of hours for all 3 machines.
I wouldn't dreamt of doing that when I was on windows.
I actually have to agree with this. I use to build all my systems and you can just search the forum for Project 0001 to see my old Phenom II water cooling build. My old m_ITX Sandy-bridge system is now the property of a family member.
Apple may have limited their hardware compatibility a lot, but it makes sure things run smoothly. Although it's not nearly as limited as people think.
I can add in a windows GPU and if it's an AMD 79xx card, or NVIDIA 5,6, or 7 series card OS X has the drivers for them, and NVIDIA even supply drivers directly.
I really enjoy OS X for everything, and Final Cut Pro X is on it for me. Yes it might not be as widely used it it use to be, but they've been fixing it and the vast majority of bad reviews and taboo about it's use is based on old versions.
Apple have clearly stated they're bringing out a new version, and that it's been designed to also take advantage of the new MP architecture.
Which means more CPU cores being used, more GPU cores, improved OpenCL support for rendering, and taking advantage of higher band with drives, and external storage.
They've also been adding in all the effects that got them in trouble with FCP X in the first place.
Although I wish they'd integrate Motion, and Compressor directly into FCP though.
We'll see if it all pans out though. I shan't be buying a new Mac Pro any time soon, I don't have the funds at the moment, and I'll at least want to see detailed reviews and benchmarks. Even then I'l most likely wait until the next generation so they had time to sort out any issues.
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Popped into the Apple Store today to check on opening times etc for next Friday.
Oddly, the guy I spoke to seemed convinced that there would be pre-orders for the iPad Air sometime next week but they didn't know exactly when these would open.
Frankly I don't believe a word of it. If there were to be pre-orders then Apple would have announced the date just as they have done in the past. I can't see them quietly opening pre-orders a few days before the launch.
Oddly, the guy I spoke to seemed convinced that there would be pre-orders for the iPad Air sometime next week but they didn't know exactly when these would open.
Frankly I don't believe a word of it. If there were to be pre-orders then Apple would have announced the date just as they have done in the past. I can't see them quietly opening pre-orders a few days before the launch.
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Whilst I would normally agree, I have 5 disks inside my current Mac Pro which would require a £500+ TB enclosure to use again.
I'll personally be building myself a PC [to be used as a hackintosh] for the first time since 2006!
Managed to sell my iPad 3 for £290, so looks like I'll pick up an iPad Air next week! iwasn't planning on it until I spotted the residuals of my 3, now it seems like a no brainer.
How mad is it normally in the morning? I'm tempted to try Cabot Circus/Cribbs Causeway first thing Friday morning rather than wait for delivery.
How mad is it normally in the morning? I'm tempted to try Cabot Circus/Cribbs Causeway first thing Friday morning rather than wait for delivery.
The guy I spoke to a the store today said the queues will be mental, they always are. Maybe not quite as daft as for iPhone launches but still pretty big.
Just go to a Purple Shirt store or another big electronics retailer instead. They're usually quiet on iPad launches because people don't realise they sell them. I've just walked in and come out with a new iPad in about 2 minutes for the 2 and 3 launches
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2 questions.
1) Do they definitely have stock on launch day?
2) Is the level of support exactly the same? i.e, can you still just walk into the Apple store and get help if you have problems?
That's not true at all. If it's an Apple product in warranty, you'll have no issue taking it back to an Apple store and getting it seen to. Even if it's out of warranty, they'll never treat you different just because you bought it somewhere else. You shouldn't go back to the retailer anyway, always go back to Apple.
You'll get exactly the same service regardless. I've had to take the original iPad (which I got from Purple Shirt land) to Apple a few years back, they didn't even ask. Same with my iMac, also from Purple Shirt land, they again, didn't ask (nor would they as they don't care), and they looked at it
And yes, for every other launch, they've had stock
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To be honest, all this rising at dawn and queuing, only to be disappointed at the end is not really for me. I can't see me having any luck unless I start queuing at 5 in the morning, which I'm not prepared to do.
For the sake of a day or two, I might just order it at midnight on the 1st.
For the sake of a day or two, I might just order it at midnight on the 1st.
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Just phoned the purple shirts. They are expecting stock a few days after launch, not at launch.
My usual have said they'll be getting them in at launch...weird
Can't argue with that! I have quite a few drives in my Mac Pro as well.
I bought one Tunderbolt/USB3 external drive, and it cost me too much. Lacie D2 3TB drive. Fast I'll give you that, but at €299 it costs too much for a single drive.
Personally I'll be waiting at least until Haswell-EP makes its appearance with the new Mac Pros before I even consider them.
The only way the new MP is going to take off fast is if Thunderbolt/2 enclosures significantly drop in price to match USB 3 ones.
If that happens I'll be happy to make the switch later on.