Million Mask March

elmarko said:
Public disorder/dissent is about the most the population will rise to until living standards take a notable dive.

Unfortunately or thankfully (pending on your view) - the current political class seem intent on doing this, but for any real change things need to get worse, or the public will need to get smarter first.

The public are subdued, with too many distractions (blaming brown people, immigrants) X-Factor & shiny new gizmo's to care about the outside world.
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Nail on the head, politicians aren't stupid, they know how to get votes how to manipulate, just how far to push us before we snap and rise up.

The government control on the media and hold in big business (and the advertising/ rampant consumption that comes with big business) means they can steer the masses whatever way they chose, they can make lies into truth, and control the reaction or spread of public scandal.

It's a sad state of affairs, the working class are too complacent to do anything, the lower middle class are maybe borderline until they grow up, the upper middle class don't rock the boat because they wish to climb aboard it with the exception of a few people who work in third sector, and the upper class don't give a **** because the current system benefits them heavily.

Presumably the Guy Fawkes mask is symbollic of had the plot succeeded they would have killed off a number of the overlords of old money, upset the established order and maybe things would be different.

But I doubt many of them understand it was a religiously motivated attack, or even draw that conclusion, they just want to belong.
 
pitchfork said:
Until the protestors begin to look like ********* it never gets media attention, media don't want to risk upsetting the status quo for their political overlords I'm afraid.

It's a vicious cycle, people have the willingness but not the intelligence nor the means to follow through with a revolution.
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Or more accurately a couple of hundred people milling around isn't newsworthy until it becomes a couple of hundred people having a fight.

If it were tens of thousands or millions then it's newsworthy.

But obviously it's the media trying to play down a couple of hundred people meeting up....
 
elmarko said:
Public disorder/dissent is about the most the population will rise to until living standards take a notable dive.

Unfortunately or thankfully (pending on your view) - the current political class seem intent on doing this, but for any real change things need to get worse, or the public will need to get smarter first.

The public are subdued, with too many distractions (blaming brown people, immigrants) X-Factor & shiny new gizmo's to care about the outside world.
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Seen the latest OECD study (released on Monday/yesterday)? Seems actually standard of living hasn't gone down since 2007, slightly more are happier now than they were then and are more likely to trust the politicians than prior. Looking at the study it looks more like the media exaggeration strikes again and in fact most people haven't actually been affected by a so called squeeze in the standard of living. That would explain why only a few hundred (if that) turned up last night and we don't have a concerted popular effort to change the current system. The vast majority are happy with the status quo.

Edit: we're up there with Scandinavia, Canada, Switzerland and Australia for most...

http://www.theguardian.com/business/2013/nov/05/uk-scores-highly-quality-of-life-oecd
 
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Just so you are aware it does look like there were over 570 marches across the world last night (regardless of size). Its not just London.
 
Amp34 said:
Seen the latest OECD study (released on Monday/yesterday)? Seems actually standard of living hasn't gone down since 2007, slightly more are happier now than they were then and are more likely to trust the politicians than prior. Looking at the study it looks more like the media exaggeration strikes again and in fact most people haven't actually been affected by a so called squeeze in the standard of living. That would explain why only a few hundred (if that) turned up last night and we don't have a concerted popular effort to change the current system. The vast majority are happy with the status quo.

Edit: we're up there with Scandinavia, Canada, Switzerland and Australia for most...

http://www.theguardian.com/business/2013/nov/05/uk-scores-highly-quality-of-life-oecd
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To be fair, it hasn't gone down that much - but it wasn't great a few years ago to start with (compared to many other different countries).

It's also dependent on what criteria (ranking doesn't give a good indicator as it in no way shows the magnitude of differences between the positions).

Overall, people in the UK haven't suffered anywhere near as much as the media portrays or say compared to other nations in the EU (unless you are in the small minority who relies on government help/services which they have removed/reduced) - but they were always a small number anyway so wouldn't impact on the totals that much.

For any drastic political change it will require the situation to get much worse (which wouldn't surprise me if it did in the next 20 years).
 
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jgreen726 said:
Just so you are aware it does look like there were over 570 marches across the world last night (regardless of size). Its not just London.
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So if they are the same size as this protest then you're looking at possibly that million masks (optimistically), compared to hundreds of millions in those countries. It's a minority protest. Should we publicise marched by other groups who get far more marching? No, because it's local news at best.

elmarko said:
To be fair, it hasn't gone down that much - but it wasn't great a few years ago to start with (compared to many other different countries).

It's also dependent on what criteria (ranking doesn't give a good indicator as it in no way shows the magnitude of differences between the positions).

Overall, people in the UK haven't suffered anywhere near as much as the media portrays or say compared to other nations in the EU (unless you are in the small minority who relies on government help/services which they have removed/reduced) - but they were always a small number anyway so wouldn't impact on the totals that much.

For any drastic political change it will require the situation to get much worse (which wouldn't surprise me if it did in the next 20 years).
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One of the points I'm trying to show is the forums insist Scandinavia is a mecca of how things should be and that the UK is so far behind, in fact, according to an independent organisation, were right up there at the top of the pile, alongside Scandinavia.

Then again it's a major part of the British psyche, putting ourselves down and insisting "the grass is greener"...
 
Amp34 said:
So if they are the same size as this protest then you're looking at possibly that million masks (optimistically), compared to hundreds of millions in those countries. It's a minority protest. Should we publicise marched by other groups who get far more marching? No, because it's local news at best.



One of the points I'm trying to show is the forums insist Scandinavia is a mecca of how things should be and that the UK is so far behind, in fact, according to an independent organisation, were right up there at the top of the pile, alongside Scandinavia.

Then again it's a major part of the British psyche, putting ourselves down and insisting "the grass is greener"...
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You're right, although the present scenario is not ideal, what would take its place? I did laugh when that Russell Brand fellow turned up in London yesterday and all of a sudden its on ITN...... sums it up really lol

You are also correct about the amount of people and the coverage being local news, it would be nice to think that people would look at what these people are doing and educate themselves to come to their own conclusions.
Currently this is not being covered correctly in my opinion.
 
Amp34 said:
That would explain why only a few hundred (if that) turned up last night and we don't have a concerted popular effort to change the current system.
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My guess is many of the protesters will have a skewed belief of how popular their views are - possibly as a result of restricting themselves to areas of the internet that are predominantly left-wing. Like the urban75 forum, for example, where social revolution is only a matter of time.

I blame Russell Brand too.
 
Amp34 said:
Or more accurately a couple of hundred people milling around isn't newsworthy until it becomes a couple of hundred people having a fight.

If it were tens of thousands or millions then it's newsworthy.

But obviously it's the media trying to play down a couple of hundred people meeting up....
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Not really, it is thousands of people and it is a worldwide occurence.

We're in this weird stage now where keyboard warriors feel like they could be part of something real, without the knowledge, the conviction or the means to follow through. Dare I say they are a scapegoat for the cyber "criminals" playing the politicians at their own game.

Everyone who looks to actively upset the status quo is a terrorist after all, right?
 
mrk said:
Do half of those people even know what they're protesting about? Seems like just an excuse to wear a mask to be anonymous and be a part of "something".
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Exactly

I find this whole thing hilarious

What exactly do they think they'll achieve? Walk down the street in masks protesting against the government etc, meanwhile the people they are protesting against are sat in their cushty homes, enjoying some fine wine, probably unaware that this is even going on.

Hardly going to change a thing

Meanwhile 99% of the people you've got to help your cause are just doing it because "it's cool, man", not really having a clue about the system they are protesting against
 
Reverb said:
My guess is many of the protesters will have a skewed belief of how popular their views are - possibly as a result of restricting themselves to areas of the internet that are predominantly left-wing. Like the urban75 forum, for example, where social revolution is only a matter of time.

I blame Russell Brand too.
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I think I like or hate this post.
 
[FnG]magnolia;25267539 said:
I think I like or hate this post.
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what I hate about the post is that it never comes before 10am any more..what I like about the post is that it doesn't come until after 10am any more...
 
Castiel said:
what I hate about the post is that it never comes before 10am any more..what I like about the post is that it doesn't come until after 10am any more...
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MY parcel got delivered at 6:30pm the other day, i'm still not sure if this is a good idea or a bad idea.
 
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