lol tvlicensing

divaboy said:
So basically all that happens is we end up with some funny Youtube videos:D
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It's a pity the courts don't allow recording.
Or we'd end up with some really funny ones - I've read reports of so called "freemen of the land" trying to make the argument that acts aren't enforceable if the person doesn't agree, and apparently it normally doesn't go well in court unless they're in a magistrates court and totally confuse the magistrate or they are dealt with like the slightly nutty fruit loops they often are.
Apparently normally if they try it in a court in front of a judge they end up changing their tune (usually it seems around the point where the judge stops humouring them and decides that they're wasting everyone's time).
 
KIA said:
Also uploaded by the same guy:

9/11 Inside Job
Chem trails
Alex Jones
Free man stuff
FEMA camps

Thanks for the lulz.
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I love "freeman stuff" it usually goes to show that a little knowledge in the hands of someone who doesn't understand the basics, is not so much a dangerous thing, but a thing of great amusement - as long as you're not the poor soul who is having to deal with it (especially when they start on the whole thing about a court being a an admiralty court because of the fact you have the dock etc).
I've read some accounts of it that have had me wondering where I could get some of the drugs the person must have been taking.
 
Is this thread just going to be a collection camera phone clips of people trying to confuse random beat officers now? What does that prove?
 
Its usually people with no professional or educational background in a particular area who go into full retard mode with these conspiracies.

We've already had the finance conspiraloons in the threads about money... now it seems we've got a legal conspiraloon...

I've got a hunch that the legal conspiraloon hasn't studied law nor has any experience of the legal profession....
 
http://www.parliament.uk/about/how/laws/passage-bill/lords/lrds-royal-assent/

An act is not law, once its completed its commons, lords and the queen has agreed it becomes LAW. Not necesarily immediately but at some point. Its a bill until its completed its whole journey.

Pretty much all law in the UK is formed on the basis of Acts, which are then sworn into law.
When areas get far too complicated and case law becomes an issue they are often replaced with a new act to tidy it all up. You often get the "strange" decisions following a new act becoming law due to oversights etc.
Judges sometimes take a different view on what a piece of legislation is there for, and can refer it back for clarification.
 
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Also for clarifiation :

Bills v Acts
A Bill is not an Act of Parliament. This is what a Bill becomes if approved by a majority in the House of Commons and the House of Lords, and formally agreed to by the reigning monarch (known as Royal Assent). An Act of Parliament is a law, enforced in all areas of the UK where it is applicable.

Just to clarify its not at the point its signed off it becomes law, but normally almost immediately.
 
You guys are funny, you say uneducated people ? its these people who are up against people who are trained in law, It seems rather funny that all these people are getting off if they have apparently broken the law.

How many officers were there... 6 ? so that's 1 guy vs 6 officers and your telling me that not one questioned what he was saying haha
 
Business Man said:
You guys are funny, you say uneducated people ? its these people who are up against people who are trained in law, It seems rather funny that all these people are getting off if they have apparently broken the law.

How many officers were there... 6 ? so that's 1 guy vs 6 officers and your telling me that not one questioned what he was saying haha
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Except the Police usually aren't trained in the "law" they're trained to uphold the law and have a working knowledge of it as it applies to their role.
For example a Motoring police officer will have a far better knowledge of the law as it applies to motoring than a beat officer.

So when someone starts talking rubbish about the law at them they might call on someone who knows it better, or might simply call in others to take in the show if it's a quiet night.

You try arguing that an act doesn't apply to them when you have committed an offence that their training covers and you'll tend to find they aren't likely to humour you.
 
Business Man said:
I believe you would swear on oath that you woudn't say that without your keyboard behind you :D
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Yay, the legal expert has found the correct definition of oath.

Now lets get back to the important bit, the Tv licencing will apply for a search order, not a search warrant.
The search order does not carry the same right to entry as a search warrant.
You cannot refuse entry for a search warrant, but you can for a search order.

However refusal to allow access under a search order is contempt of court, this is not a crime dealt with by local bobbies, its treated as a serious breach of law.


relevant reading ;)

http://www.yourrights.org.uk/yourri...ficials-to-enter-your-home/search-orders.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contempt_of_court
 
divaboy said:
I'm not having a moan just be interesting to know as their does seem to be a fair few videos with the same outcome.
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This is the standard freeman ploy - bamboozle someone on video and claim it is sensational evidence of their ridiculous claims. The evidence to the contrary - namely the hundreds of thousands of cases that go through the court every year in which the defendant is prosecuted without their consent - is ignored.
 
I look quite guilty from a tv license inspector perspective. I have a satelite dish just outside my front door. Although it is not connected to anything inside and i cut the cable. In my living room i have big surround sound speakers and soon I will have a projector, so its difficult to convince a guy when i open the door that i don't need a tv license. I also just bought a Epson EH-TW5200 so will have this massive screen on the wall soon, which will make it even more difficult, so its a lot easier to just ignore them.
 
groen said:
I look quite guilty from a tv license inspector perspective. I have a satelite dish just outside my front door. Although it is not connected to anything inside and i cut the cable. In my living room i have big surround sound speakers and soon I will have a projector, so its difficult to convince a guy when i open the door that i don't need a tv license. I also just bought a Epson EH-TW5200 so will have this massive screen on the wall soon, which will make it even more difficult, so its a lot easier to just ignore them.
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Yeah we cut the cable from the aerial too. The cable hangs on an outside wall so if an inspector ever does come round I'll just show him that. If he's unconvinced then he's free to come in and have a look around if he so wishes. I'll even offer him a nice cup of tea!

If I were you I'd just let him in, he'll soon see that he's wasting his time and hopefully leave you alone. We get the odd letter asking us if we've started watching it again and that we're going to be investigated (:eek:) but I just let them get on with it.
 
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