Which is why we have sensors all over the car, stripping a tub down after every race when some are back to back would be impossible.
United States Grand Prix 2013, Austin - Race 18/19
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Which is why we have sensors all over the car, stripping a tub down after every race when some are back to back would be impossible.
How often do the chassis return to the factory anyway? I'm assuming they don't between the fly away races?
A crack in composite doesn't have to be on the surface layer. With your thinking you might as well strip the car back to individual parts after every run, just to sure.
One thing which worries me is that RBR are usually pretty good when it comes to dealing with new regs.
And I listened to an interview with Newey who said that a lot of the tech used by the 2013 cars are going to be incorporated into the 2014 cars. He described the 2014 as an evolution of the 2013 car.
This worries me, as it is possible that RBR could maintain their advantage or worse, increase their advantage.
I don't want to be sat here next year discussing the possibility of Vettel winning every single race of the season. Given that Vettel is in the process of breaking every F1 record in existence, if he wins all 19-20 races in 2014, if he has the opportunity to break this most difficult of records, he'll take it.
My heart still goes out to Webber this year - the one time he was going to win a race and Vettel cruelly took the race win away from him, by dis-obeying team orders. So cruel...and greedy.
Perhaps you have forgotten what racing was like with Bridgestone?
Drivers completing an entire race on a single set of tyres, coming in for a change on the penultimate lap, only to satisfy regulations. Pirelli came in and shook up the predictability, which was great.
Have we forgotten 2012 when for the first half of the season we had no idea who would win the race?
Unfortunately, Pirelli were pressured into making tougher tyres, which would play into the hands of RBR and Merc, on safety grounds. Once RBR got their wish, Vettel was laughing.
So, just to summarise, Pirelli were requested to create tougher tyres. This choice was not of Pirelli's. Pirelli were quite happy to make tyres which were exploding, breaking, falling apart and preventing RBR/Merc from winning. I remember Ferrari and Lotus were very happy to continue with the weak tyres.
Fingers crossed for next year. If Vettel wins 90%+ of next year's races, I'll lose interest.
Awesome days and races.
Name me the last time the WDC was won by one point TWICE.
You had no idea every body else knew.
Merc was doing better before the 2012 rubber came back in duh but don't let facts get in the way
Ah it's sunama should have looked before I replied.
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Although there are always conspiracy theories, Webber had a cracked chassis effecting performance and improved performance after they found and replaced the chassis last year(or was it even the year before?). So to suggest Merc have to stop things like that, sometimes bad luck is bad luck, if the best team on the grid can make that mistake, so can anyone else.
I'm not sure why because Hamilton won a race that we now quite often get people talking about "constantly going backwards in races since his win"... Because he and Rosberg were constantly going backwards from the start of the season. The win was much more a case of Vettel being held up by Button than Hamilton/Merc suddenly having a race pace capable car, that race, Hamilton had better pace than Button's Mclaren, as it has had for much of the season, nothing new. It was a bad race for RBR, not a turn around in Merc's car, as such it's completely expected that without Vettel being held up badly that Merc's would continue to go backwards.
This week was, as Hamilton said, a bit of a step forward, hard to judge precisely but they appear to have made some qualifying sacrifices for race pace, wasn't night and day and some races the Lotus is awesome, other tracks it isn't suited at all. Was Hamilton slower due to setup or was this just a race Lotus was simply faster than the Merc full stop, bit of both most likely.
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Merc was doing better before the 2012 rubber came back in duh but don't let facts get in the way
Ah it's sunama should have looked before I replied.
it's really irking me that people keep banging on about the tyres making it a win, Merc were doing better before the change, Lotus have been doing better since the change, people talk rubbish. RBR last year and in 2009 and most years been the in season development team. It's as simple as that, they were fighting with Mclaren early last year, then spanked them later in the year. The RBR gets better and is seemingly also more suited to the second half of the season in terms of tracks. The RBR is faster in the second half of the season pretty much every year, that this year, it's the tyres.
Grosjean had what 1 podium before the tyre change, a podium with the inbetween tyre change, and eleventy podiums since then?
Kimi has done worse in so much as podiums in Germany and Hungary, 2 more podiums, one fluke DNF and one screwed to back of grid and knocked out of race. Plus he's had a back issue and has clearly been less motivated as the team has (to me) clearly been talking out of it's ass promising to pay him and not doing it.
Bridgestones are back, in spirit. Pirelli are going to go super safe next year and the teams think it could mean all races will be 1 stops.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/111439
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/111439
They should make them just like Bridgestone's so they can do many flat out laps instead of one.
Pirelli saying one stop but the race will be slow or no racing like sunday.
The only way to bring back racing is to do away with aero and give the car back to the driver.
One thing which worries me is that RBR are usually pretty good when it comes to dealing with new regs.
And I listened to an interview with Newey who said that a lot of the tech used by the 2013 cars are going to be incorporated into the 2014 cars. He described the 2014 as an evolution of the 2013 car.
This worries me, as it is possible that RBR could maintain their advantage or worse, increase their advantage.
I don't want to be sat here next year discussing the possibility of Vettel winning every single race of the season. Given that Vettel is in the process of breaking every F1 record in existence, if he wins all 19-20 races in 2014, if he has the opportunity to break this most difficult of records, he'll take it.
My heart still goes out to Webber this year - the one time he was going to win a race and Vettel cruelly took the race win away from him, by dis-obeying team orders. So cruel...and greedy.
I know this is a completely out there thought but if vettel was leading a 1-2 rb finish next weekend he could let mark overtake and win his last ever f1 race. Vet would completely redeem himself for malay and it would be a massively humble and thoughtful gesture. Hed also win a huge amount of fans back and become the peoples champion.
The trouble with 1 stop is drivers have to do 40 or 50 lap stints. If they need an extra bit of wing or flat spot a tyre trying to pass they are stuffed.
As much as I hate the idea, maybe F1 needs to mandate 2 stops? Make sure that even if you drive balls to the wall the tyres will last way over 1/3rd of the race. That way they aren't tyre limited.
I watched the 2007 US GP at the weekend and Hamilton and Alonso up front went flat out for 2/3rds of the race, as their stints were limited by fuel not tyres. But, there was sod all overtaking on track, it was all done with pit strategy which was boring.
I genuinely don't think we can have our cake and eat it. Regulations that promote going flat out all race also promote overtaking in the pits.
That said, banning refueling in 2010 saw a doubling of on track overtakes. DRS and Pirellis in 2011 saw them double again. So maybe there is a chance the 2010 style Formula could work?
Personally, I say give them 3 more sets of tyres, remove the start on qualifying tyres rule, and don't require the use of both compounds (but still have a couple of compounds). If someone wants to 1 stop on hards, go for it! Hamilton wants to gun it all race and use 4 sets of softs, but is 1 second a lap faster, brilliant! Someone gets stuck in traffic so chops a 1 stop on hards in for 2 stints on softs in clean air, excellent!
Going back to 2 super durable compounds will just see everyone start on softs, do 15 laps, change to hards and follow each other home. Zzzzzzz.
So a race that actually had a battle for the lead was boring?
That's what I thought.
F1 should be more like MotoGp full on racing.
So a race that actually had a battle for the lead was boring?
There was 1 half move by Alonso, that was it. So yes.