Soldato
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But then he would lose his chance to equal and possibly beat Ascari's record of nine consecutive wins. So he won't do it.
United States Grand Prix 2013, Austin - Race 18/19
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But then he would lose his chance to equal and possibly beat Ascari's record of nine consecutive wins. So he won't do it.
Man of Honour
Yep, Vettel is all for the records. I doubt he gives a damn about Webber or he wouldn't have done that Multi 21 thing in the first place.
Soldato
Not really, overtaking in the pits is not overtaking, it is just change of position. Actual overtaking requires one driver to perform a move which outsmarts another driver into passing them.
DRS overtakes are not strictly overtakes but again just changes in position, as most of the time there is no real effort in doing it.
The only way to increase proper overtaking is to remove all of the disruptive aero on the cars.
Those saying they want racing like MotoGP, what is the main difference between MotoGP and F1? Aero.
Soldato
Really boring season. All credit to Vettel etc but so boring!
I would love to see some of the gizmos taken off of the cars and really make the drivers 'drive' without some of those driving aids.
I would love to see some of the gizmos taken off of the cars and really make the drivers 'drive' without some of those driving aids.
Soldato
Really can't see Vettel doing that, he's only for himself and not for the good of the team which he showed when disobeying team orders.
Plus I don't think Webber cares anymore about F1.
Soldato
So no stop or 1 stop only? Surely that would prevent anyone from doing any risky move at all as there is zero room for a pit stop to rectify it?
Also, what if the guys using hards get a puncture? Race over?
They need more tyres, not less.
What driving aids?
Man of Honour
More stops would be good. Like 3-4 stops as mandatory, so people are encouraged to thrash the tyres and race on the edge. 1 stopping and caressing the tyres is depressing.
Soldato
I also thought this along with what Setroc said. He doesn't have to let him win, he could potentially just adjust his approach - E.g. assuming they qualify up front, aim to cover Mark into turn one and support him during the race.
You could argue that essentially this would be letting him win, but it would be a much more measured way to do it, and wouldn't be as blatant as pulling over on the last lap.
I'm sure the usual haters would find a way to sack it, but it would certainly make me like him a bit more.
Soldato
Can't see Vettel missing out on the chance for 9 in a row.
Even if he were to do it, I think it'd be likely he'd make it as blatant as possible... he could quite simply decide to do it on his own and quietly let it happen but I don't get the impression that's his style.
Even if he were to do it, I think it'd be likely he'd make it as blatant as possible... he could quite simply decide to do it on his own and quietly let it happen but I don't get the impression that's his style.
Tyre warmers and power steering could be interpreted as driving aids. I'm not sure about the specifics of the eleventy-billion controls on the steering wheel, perhaps some of them count as well.
Soldato
He is German, he does not care if it is MW's last race.
Soldato
The last turbo car had one button now they have about 10 with a lot of settings for each knob.
Get rid of the defuser that would be a start. And to people who are saying that re-fueling\pit stops are boring
what do you call Kirs\DRS as that's fake racing.
Just think how many tyres that would use. At the moment they have 6 sets (3 of each) to last all of Qualifying and the race. A 4 stop race would need 5 sets of tyres alone!
If teams work out (and they will) that they can cruise around and save themselves an extra pit stop then that's what they will do. Even if after the race it looks like they lost 1s a lap to save 25 seconds from a pit stop. I'm pretty certain that unleashed drivers like Alonso and Hamilton could easily make up the time lost in an extra spot by going balls to the wall all race. In a 60 lap race its 0.5 seconds a lap. But the computers say the safer option is to drive at 8/10ths and take less stops
.Maybe F1 should go fully extreme and mandate 3 stops a race? Any tyres you like, as many sets as you like, just nail it for 60 laps and see who wins.
Oh, no, wait. That would mean carting 4 billion tyres around the world, that isn't going to look good for F1's 'green' ambitions is it. Scrap that idea
How is KERS fake racing? And DRS is a quick and dirty solution to a much more fundamental problem, but one the FIA seem unable to solve as every time they try the teams complain and they turn back. The aero side of the 2009 rules shake up was watered down, and then the double diffuser was just allowed to continue. Off throttle mappings were banned, but then allowed back in as teams complained. They had a perfect solution to remove EBDs but didn't, so we now have coanda fed EBDs. And next years aero rules have again been watered down due to the teams complaining they were too drastic.
Unless you can think of a way to make 11 F1 teams, 3 engine manufacturers, FOM and the FIA agree on something, solutions like DRS are all we have.
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Soldato
F1 is the 'pinnacle' of Motorsport, the whole green issue with the tyres makes me want to tear my nut sack off 
Man of Honour
The whole idea of being green is daft. Driving fuel guzzling engines around a racetrack itself isn't very green, so who are they kidding by being economical on tyres.
All due to unused tyres at the end of the season. Well then we need testing, we have to many tyres.
Why not inseason testing. Allocated tyres per season. Do what you will.
And get rid of the tactic killing must run two tyre compound rule.
Why not inseason testing. Allocated tyres per season. Do what you will.
And get rid of the tactic killing must run two tyre compound rule.