Nelson Mandela has died

I suppose the people who say he did bad but also good means he's ok are the same people who are on the side of 'lets forgive Jimmy Savile as he did a lot for charity'!

Thought not I suppose you sheep can plod along warm and fuzzy in the knowledge that you are in fact hypocrites.
 
Mandela fought in a war, he used the weapons he had to hand, the same as all fighters do in an unequal conflict. Apartheid was abhorrent and abhorrence breeds horrible acts but when it's all you have to fight back with you fight as hard as you can until you lose or you win.

He also recognised that on his release from prison that if he continued the animosity no good would come from it so instead he publicly announced forgiveness and championed a course of reconciliation even pulling on the maligned green and gold shirt of the Springboks.

I for one mourn the passing of one of the truly great men of the 20th Century, I mourn him "warts and all". I hope that if back is ever against the wall as he and his people's were I have the courage to stand up and be counted as he did.

Nelson Rolihlahla Mandela, Rest in peace.
 
elmarko said:
Out of curiosity, could you explain the moral difference between a military general who uses violence which results in the death of civilians to achieve a given objective & a terrorist who uses violence which results in a the death of civilians to achieve a given objective?.

Surely to determine the morality of each, you would need to identify the underlines reasons behind the use of violence?.

Not that it permits violence, one could just as easily argue - terrorism is the end result of a failed society, in this case South Africa failed it's population which in turn resorted to terrorism.
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You again? :)

I'm not debating with you mate, I don't have the time you plainly have to hang around these forums all day and it seems that you're on the side of a terrorist so I have little to say to you.

Mandela was a child killing jerk from what history tells me. I don't care if you or he thinks he's justified.

Mike306 said:
Why don't you find out for yourself.
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I know perfectly well what it was like. And I know what SA is like now. Racial equality means nothing to the murdered.
 
TheMightyTen said:
Mandela fought in a war, he used the weapons he had to hand, the same as all fighters do in an unequal conflict.
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Sounds like the reasoning made by these guys...

GgvLGYkt
 
While I do think the man in the later years was good for his country, I can't stop to think about the innocent people that paid the price for his freedom fight. There are less violent ways...

Stelly
 
I feel about this the same as I do for any other passing, its sad another human has died but it happens all the time life goes on.

I'm afraid I will only morn the passing of family and close friends with the possible exception of the Queen when she pops her clogs.
 
Maundie said:
I suppose the people who say he did bad but also good means he's ok are the same people who are on the side of 'lets forgive Jimmy Savile as he did a lot for charity'!

Thought not I suppose you sheep can plod along warm and fuzzy in the knowledge that you are in fact hypocrites.
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That's not how it works at all, you actually have to weigh up the good versus the bad. Child abuse is clearly worse for society then any benefit brought by fundraising, you'd have to be an idiot to think otherwise.
 
Zodar said:
It's pretty funny. "White nationalist who uses terrorism and violence to install a state which economically favours whites over blacks" would be universally renounced. BNP is pretty much hated in all circles (Outside of the BNP :D). Yet people all speak of Mr Mandela's "greatness". Humans are hilarious.
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Abraxaz1 said:
I love all the cause justifies the means people. Pretty sure ghandi face serious oppression and didn't turn to violence to solve it. The man was a savage, the use of violence to force your point shows a man of no substance.
End of the day he was a terrorist, the only difference between him and osma bin Laden or Jerry adams is the fact he had the western media on his side.
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covenantuk said:
He helped bring about the end of apartheid but by his own admission he's no saint and shouldn't be regarded as such.

He was a terrorist and if you think the end justifies the means then you're agreeing with terrorism as a concept thus legitimising organisations such as the IRA and Al Qaeda.
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Could you give any reasons to why the world in general, from its country, to the media, to world leaders and even history paints him as the very opposite? Why do you think the terror acts that he committed is nothing more than a footnote in his legacy? Do you think people willingly forget? Do you think people are ignorant and people who simply forgives?

I am not talking about Paris Hilton, I am talking about the media and world leaders, people who knows more than you and I. Why do they not paint him in the same vein as Osama Bin Laden?
 
One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter!
At the end of the day Nelson Mandela prevented an unimaginable amount of death and bloodshed later in his life when he choose peace rather than revenge and retribution.
Something very few of us would be able to do after being imprisoned for 27 years!!!

R.I.P Nelson Mandela
 
Raymond Lin said:
These days South Africa is a democracy, and whatever he did to get his country there, clearly even his people think he did right,
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More importantly most white South Africans also think he did right.
I had several friends from South Africa and they hated Apartheid.

People really should do some homework before they open their mouths.
One gay Facebook friend was saying "So what, what has he ever done for me?"
The thing is when Mandela was voted President he walked into office and all the white workers were ready to leave but he kept them all (or most of them).
He didn't overthrow the white Government for a black one, he wanted everybody to work together including gays.
South Africa was one of the first countries to have gay rights and that legacy was passed to Britain for my gay Facebook friend.
 
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