M&S have dropped a clanger

That doesn't work though. I don't want a Turkish bloke at my newsagent that doesn't speak English properly and has all his Turkish mates loitering around and speaking other languages. They don't WANT to integrate and so I don't WANT them here.

Not exactly difficult is it. I don't go to turkey and have an English man offering me fish and chips.

Easy then don't shop there?
 
I love how you are labeled racist, islamaphobic or homophobic depending on what you dare have a non PC opinion about.

I find that in most cases of people using this response they are using "PC" as a replacement for "normal opinion", i.e making excuses for their overtly offensive views.
 
A shop should be 100% neutral - they sell products that their customers want and their staff sell them - simple. At no point should it be a 'personal' experience between what the member of staff deems right or wrong. They are quite simply there to handle the cash that the willing customer is paying to their employer.


Exactly.
 
Or complain that my country is being casually invaded by all sorts and do something to oppose it?

This is painful to read.

Your country is not being invaded. I don't see riots in the streets or boats on the beaches full of people desperate to come and open newsagents.

Are you going to ban Italians from speaking in Italian in their own restaurants next? What about my local Chinese takeaway that has been open over 15 years there the lovely lady speaks very little English? Would you be against that too?
 
I find that in most cases of people using this response they are using "PC" as a replacement for "normal opinion", i.e making excuses for their overtly offensive views.

Is it overtly offensive to be critical of a policy that clearly has no place in this country?
 
Is it overtly offensive to be critical of a policy that clearly has no place in this country?

You use the word 'clearly' as if you are talking for everybody when you say it has no place in this country. It's subjective, it's your opinion and what you may deem 'clear' may be utter garbage to somebody else.
 
You use the word 'clearly' as if you are talking for everybody when you say it has no place in this country. It's subjective, it's your opinion and what you may deem 'clear' may be utter garbage to somebody else.

So, would you support a policy whereby non muslims could refuse to handle halal products?
 
Is it overtly offensive to be critical of a policy that clearly has no place in this country?

Why does it have no place in this country? We live in a country with many laws and policies which are designed to accommodate people of different faiths and cultures.

As ever, this one just strikes a particular sour chord because it is to do with Muslims.

I by no means "support" the policy, I think it is a bit silly if I'm honest, however some people are acting like it's step one of operation outlaw bacon.
 
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That question is about language, so it doesn't require a Muslim to answer it. So I'll have a go.

I can't read Arabic, so I am relying on translations and speaking with people who can.

The intended meaning (shown by context) is almost certainly drugs that affect your mind. Wine might be the only form of alcohol mentioned explicitly (I'm curious now - can anyone who reads Arabic clear this point up?) but if it is then it would probably simply be due to wine being the form in which alcohol was drunk in that area at that time. We're used to a wide variety of alcoholic drinks being available, but that wasn't the case in all places at all times.

That leads me to another question - is there a clearly written medicinal exclusion clause? Some medicinal drugs affect your mind, some more strongly than alcohol. Of course most Muslims would interpret their religion to allow a medicinal exclusion clause, but is one actually in the Qu'ran? if not, is there one in the hadith?

The substance affecting mind bit does ring a bell, thanks. I do recall a later verse (not sure if that's the correct term) though where it mentions fruits of the date palm and the grape and deriving a strong drink from them and this being a positive thing.
 
So, would you support a policy whereby non muslims could refuse to handle halal products?

I withdraw my comment - I thought you were talking about political policies. I do not and would not support what M&S has introduced, no.

Why does it have no place in this country? We live in a country with many laws and policies which are designed to accommodate people of different faiths and cultures.

As ever, this one just strikes a particular sour chord because it is to do with Muslims.

It's struck a chord with me and I've already shared my reasons why. The fact it's about Muslims has no bearing on my opinion. It's simply as I have stated before, a supermarket should be a neutral environment where goods are exchanged for cash and the employees working there simply aid that relationship between customer and supermarket.
 
This is painful to read.

Your country is not being invaded. I don't see riots in the streets or boats on the beaches full of people desperate to come and open newsagents.

Are you going to ban Italians from speaking in Italian in their own restaurants next? What about my local Chinese takeaway that has been open over 15 years there the lovely lady speaks very little English? Would you be against that too?

Yes, I would definitely like Italians and Chinese to speak English when in England. What's the problem with that? The language of the country is English.

Much like if I went to china, I would feel embarrassed and ignorant to be talking English.
 
For the record, I would not expect a Muslim to handle raw pork, however they are not being asked to do that, merely scan a packaged product.
 
a supermarket should be a neutral environment

No, "a supermarket" should be whatever kind of environment the private company which owns it wants it to be, without being discriminative or otherwise breaking any law.

Which M&S are not doing by introducing this policy and would be incredibly surprised if it ever effects anyone in this thread, let alone costs anyone more than 2 minutes of their time as the Muslim in question very politely swaps tills with another member of staff. I would also be very surprised if many Muslims actually make use of this policy.
 
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No, no, no you have misunderstood. A silly book written 1000's of years ago says they can't so they are totally correct in refusing to handle something that the book has told them they cant eat , even if it is wrapped in sealed packaging!

Does it? That's a first, I've asked one of my friends who happens to be a Muslim and he said he wouldn't have problem serving customers purchasing alcohol, pork and non halal meat.


How many 1000s of Muslims who work in our supermarkets have a problem and refusing to sell haram products? Very few I suspect.
 
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A recent picture of the M&S shop floor.

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