780ti's or 290x's for 1440p?

[Geeman1979]

With two 780 Ti's running. The last thing on your mind will be the Mantle piece.

 

[Kaapstad]

You're rather missing the point of Mantle: it isn't to merely get better frame rates (although the early Mantle patches of existing graphics engines will concentrate on that) it's to make possible levels of complexity and detail that just isn't possible today, not even if you throw multpile 290Xs or 780s at it.

I highly recommend watching the presentation by the Oxide guys, who are working on a native Mantle supporting engine:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIWyf8Hyjbg&hd=1

Until Mantle is released, bug free and there are games available that can use it, all the demos, theories and anything else connected to it are irrelevant.

The only demo people want to see is Mantle actually working on their PCs.

 

[TheRealDeal]

Mantle is almost pointless on a 1440p crossfire 290X set up. You're going to have well in excess of 100-120 FPS in BF4 at max settings if you overclock them. And that's without Mantle. So considering the mass majority of monitors are 60 Hz at 1440p (some overclock to 90-100 Hz) then the extra frames from Mantle won't even get displayed on the monitor or make a difference really.You won't want the screen tearing generally so would be vsync capped. I can't game on my 1440p monitor with vsync off - it's horrendous. Even if I overclock it. My 120 Hz monitor never runs games with vsync on.

If it was single 290X vs 780Ti then sure factor Mantle in but I can't see it many much difference on a dual overclocked set up.

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So my advice OP would be grab either a couple of 780s or 780Ti's. You aren't going to worrying about frame rates for a long time with those cards.

I would reason that 60 hz has been around for a long time and people still wanted more than 60fps. I would also say mantle is worth the risk or Dice and amd would not be pushing it so much. My main reason for the 290x was it's an amd sponsored game, water cooling and price. Yea the gtx780 is priced a little lower but the question was 290x or 780ti. If the gtx780 was in play then so is the 290p which costs less again and the same reasons apply.

 

[tommybhoy]

Gibbo/8pack both have some kind of insight on Mantle, both have said positives about the performance.

AMD with Mantle=higher IQ/mins/avg/max in BF4, simples.

AMD/Dice are reportedly holding a public showing of BF4 powered by Mantle@CES, may as well wait a few days and see what comes of it.

 

[Rusty0611]

I would reason that 60 hz has been around for a long time and people still wanted more than 60fps. I would also say mantle is worth the risk or Dice and amd would not be pushing it so much. My main reason for the 290x was it's an amd game, water cooling and price. Yea the gtx780 is priced a little lower but the question was 290x or 780ti. If the gtx780 was in play then so is the 290p which costs less again and the same reasons apply.

The point was that running at 100 FPS will produce nasty screen tearing which is why most people frame cap or run with vsync on at 1440p/60Hz. People that want more FPS will largely be looking at 120 Hz monitors but the OP says he is 1440p. There is some increase in fluidity feeling by running at say 100 FPS on a 60 Hz screen but the screen tearing would nullify that IMO. So if Mantle boosts the FPS to 140 FPS it's largely pointless for somebody who doesn't game with vsync off.

I think it's your single card set ups which are really going to see the benefit from Mantle. Dual GPU is just going to pure grunt its way to the refresh rate of a 60 Hz monitor.

 

[TheRealDeal]

The point was that running at 100 FPS will produce nasty screen tearing which is why most people frame cap or run with vsync on at 1440p/60Hz. People that want more FPS will largely be looking at 120 Hz monitors but the OP says he is 1440p. There is some increase in fluidity feeling by running at say 100 FPS on a 60 Hz screen but the screen tearing would nullify that IMO. So if Mantle boosts the FPS to 140 FPS it's largely pointless for somebody who doesn't game with vsync off.

I think it's your single card set ups which are really going to see the benefit from Mantle. Dual GPU is just going to pure grunt its way to the refresh rate of a 60 Hz monitor.

Why the gtx780 over the 290p or the gtx780ti over the 290x in this game then. All of them will produce great frame rates in dx11. Mantle should be better than dx11 and cooling is not an issue.

 

[Rusty0611]

Why the gtx780 over the 290p or the gtx780ti over the 290x in this game then. All of them will produce great frame rates in dx11. Mantle should be better than dx11 and cooling is not an issue.

Because that was my recommendation. I have a 780 and it's been perfect for me just as my 7950s were previously.

I can't recommend AMD 290/X cards at the moment due to the black screen issue. If you'd like to recommend one then that's your choice

Why will Mantle be better than DX11? Surely in a 60 FPS capped scenario it will be identical?

 

[TheRealDeal]

Because that was my recommendation. I have a 780 and it's been perfect for me just as my 7950s were previously.

I can't recommend AMD 290/X cards at the moment due to the black screen issue. If you'd like to recommend one then that's your choice

That's fine by me was only taking you up on what you said above. There is nothing like a decent experience in the game with your own setup but i will say it's sli and crossfire that's in question and both seem to work really well in bf4. I wonder if mantle has any goodies for the crossfire user as well. It will give better fps surely but i think we covered why that don't matter so much but there were some snippets released why mantle could be good for a crossfire user if used properly.

What about dlc content and are you sure that will run above 60fps. Amd are and still are working with dice to support mantle in this game which for me is just a good reason to choose amd.

 

[Rusty0611]

That's fine by me was only taking you up on what you said above. There is nothing like a decent experience in the game with your own setup but i will say it's sli and crossfire that's in question and both seem to work really well in bf4. I wonder if mantle has any goodies for the crossfire user as well.

Last CF issue I had was with my 4850s . Last SLI issue I had was disabling Surround on multi-GPU on cards with different bios. Windows would crash.

They're both very robust nowadays.

 

[TheRealDeal]

Last CF issue I had was with my 4850s . Last SLI issue I had was disabling Surround on multi-GPU on cards with different bios. Windows would crash.

They're both very robust nowadays.

I have no doubt's both would do a really good job either way i just think the smart money on this game is with amd.

 

[Rusty0611]

What about dlc content and are you sure that will run above 60fps. Amd are and still are working with dice to support mantle in this game which for me is just a good reason to choose amd.

I don't know what the future holds but unless they add new settings in (which I doubt) then Mantle is really not going to make any difference in BF4 on a dual card overclocked set up.

I'm sure even 7950/70 CF pulls well over 60 FPS so 780Ti/290X level you've got tonnes in the tank.

I have no doubt's both would do a really good job either way i just think the smart money on this game is with amd.

Single card yes, dual card makes no odds either way unless running no vsync. Unless something surprising comes out in the way of new settings of course. But that's speculation about speculation so kind of outside the realms of reality there. Not to say it won't happen... but if it was me I wouldn't let it influence. Each to their own though.

 

[TheRealDeal]

I don't know what the future holds but unless they add new settings in (which I doubt) then Mantle is really not going to make any difference in BF4 on a dual card overclocked set up.

I'm sure even 7950/70 CF pulls well over 60 FPS so 780Ti/290X level you've got tonnes in the tank.

Yep i think a few people have shown that the 7970cf can just about hold a 60fps minimum @1440p and for the most part run comfortably above. All things being equal which the 290p/x-780/ti are then pretty much you gotta factor in support which amd win on in my eyes being a gaming evolved title with mantle to come. Price is the other factor which goes 290/780/290x/780ti.

 

[Rusty0611]

I put black screen lottery as an issue overriding any positive at the moment I'm afraid. Support? You open the game and play it. You don't need support from AMD lol.

As the OP has asked between the two cards I'm sure he's aware of what they cost each.

Anyway we're wittering on now, I've made my recommendation and I don't intend to change it or the reasons for it.

Real reason for the abrupt end to this conversation: I'm knackered and going bed!

Ta-ra!

 

[TheRealDeal]

I put black screen lottery as an issue overriding any positive at the moment I'm afraid. Support? You open the game and play it. You don't need support from AMD lol.

As the OP has asked between the two cards I'm sure he's aware of what they cost each.

If amd made the game then you would have a point but they didn't. When i say support you know all i meant was there cards will run well in the game. I think you knew that though . The black screen bug may be of concern but tbh that's something i have not read into much but i see the thread on here is still going.

Yea and i respect your opinion from a happy gtx780 owner. Night night.

 

[uksoldierboy]

If your watercooling or can wait for the AIB 290x I'd go for them over sli 780tis.

Both are fantastic cards, both will give you awesome fps in bf4 @1440p.

The 290x is slightly faster In bf4 than the 780ti when I tested them, but they aren't without issues, blackscreen crashes are quite common, I've only had them from pushing the memory too far but they can happen at stock, I'd suggest returning the cards if they do, they're a little noisey above 50-60% and run hotter than the 780tis.

Max temps for me while playing bf4 @1150/1400 is around 85c @ 55% fan speed.

If you have the money the 780ti represent a better all round card at the moment, but don't expect the price you pay to reflect the performance you'll get, there's nothing in it between either cards.

 

[Diagro]

Wow...

why are people advising against 290 pro xfire???

It's £660 for an epic setup vs £1k+ for 5% faster from.nvidia.

its an easy choice tbh

 

[nniitt]

Ti for sure.

 

[LtMatt]

As title really, planning on getting a new PC and might watercool it also. Primary game would be BF4 so mantle interests me, but would I see any major difference between 2 of each card?

If you're going to water cool id be going for the 290's. They're so much cheaper and will be just as fast as 780TI's when overclocked. Primary game will be BF4 so it makes sense to go AMD and benefit from Mantle. Because of your game choice and wanting to try Mantle i think it would be foolish to go the Nvidia route.

 

[no_1_dave]

Right now:
AMD black screen lottery so go 780ti

290s are a good option when AMD sort the black screen issues out.

 

[Gregster]

I have seen a couple of people saying it would be foolish to go anything other than AMD (their opinion, so cool) but this is the way I look at it:

1440P SLI 780 should get around >100fps. You have a 60Hz 1440P monitor (I assume) and even with 290X in CF getting 200 fps let's say, you are never going to notice anything different between the 2 systems on your 1440P. They will both look the same.

Now I would like to think you play other games as well, so when you look at AMD Vs nVidia in general, nVidia have proprietary tech that AMD users can't use. PhysX adds some very nice effects to games where it is used and for me, these are effects that make the game look better and adds that little extra smile factor that AMD users are missing out on. GameWorks has been hotly debated recently and some of the AMD users are not happy that AMD can't optimize games with this tech in. FlameWorks/Flex/PhysX/TXAA are all things that are nVidia controlled and nVidia users get the best of. Batman games all look great with PhysX, Metro LL another, Borderlands 2 effects are awesome to name but a couple and then you have games like Project CARS and Star Citizen to look forward to with PhysX being used.

Just my thoughts anyway.