Lawful killing of Mark Duggan

deuse said:
The only reason the UK has the lowest fatal police shootings(if they do) because the shot first and ask later
also members of the public are not allowed to carry arms like they can in most US states so that helps.

Oh and if you want to go low look at Iceland loads of guns about but only ONE cop killed ;)

I just don't trust the cops any more but that's just me.
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This is the exact opposite of logic. If the police "shot first and ask later" fatal police shootings, that is the police shooting and killing someone would be higher, not lower.

And why on earth would you send our AFOs to train for an environment they will not be working in? In the USA every man and his dog has a gun and they have training for that daily threat. In the UK they are rare. Firearms are only taken when they may be needed. Like when they are stopping someone they know just bought an illegal gun. So that is what they are trained for.

Seriously, if the police were as bad as you are trying to make out Judge Dread style executions would be a daily occurrence. This is the 2nd police shooting in the news in what? A decade?
 
thedoc46 said:
The trigger happy policeman didn't have to shoot him. If Duggan threatened him or a member of the public in a way that his life or any others were in any danger then fair enough. But the thing is he didn't !!! He didn't even have a gun on him !!!

Do you honestly think once Duggan realized there were 12 guns pointing at him, he'd go making any sudden moves? Non-Police Witnesses say it appeared he was surrendering.

I don't care how much of criminal you say he was, he deserved his day in court. Because his only crime which was not even certain at the time, was he was unlawfully carrying. He'd of got a few yrs. Not the death penalty.

Also, I know a few police in the UK, some of which who want and are trying to get into the armed response unit. They do get a little excited at handling guns from what I've witnessed. It's too much of a novelty for them. Plus I lived in London for 30yrs.. for the most part, the Met contains a large number of buffoons in uniform. Perhaps its different in the countryside, i can only speak from experience. In the 10yrs of living in the United States, I've not been pulled up or harassed / searched for doing absolutely nothing but being a young male, as I was by the Met. Police. I'm also white, hate rap and not someone pretending to be from the 'streets' !

Also given I live in the USA, I'm licensed to carry, so I've had to go through training to perceive what is a threat and what is not to obtain my license.. I cannot see how someone NOT pointing anything at someone put anyone's life in enough danger to warrant being shot. If I shot someone under similar circumstances, I'd be spending the next 15 behind bars for manslaughter, likewise if someone shot me under similar circumstances, I'd hope that the law would see right and the perp received justice.
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The armchair tacads have the luxury of hindsight.
 
Werewolf said:
I take it from that comment that when a nursing assistant gets arrested and charged for rape you hold the entire medical community,
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And another one not reading the whole thread. At least I brought some enjoyment to you people all alone on a Saturday night :)
 
Woden said:
Seriously, if the police were as bad as you are trying to make out Judge Dread style executions would be a daily occurrence. This is the 2nd police shooting in the news in what? A decade?
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Unforgivable post I am afraid. Dredd not Dread!:D
 
deuse said:
All you lot haven't read the whole thread now go off and start again.This time get it right.

Time for another film and a curry hmmm.
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I have read the whole thread, and your posts make me want to weep.

I'm just hoping you're actually just an amazing troll, that will help me through this.
 
Dis86 said:
With cars you're right it's a concern for other road users and pedestrians but with bikes it's the rider due to the fact that any collision at speed is going to cause serious injury or fatality.
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a bike is likely to start going between traffic though and if he ****s u pthen he'll be taking both lanes with him
 
deuse said:
This why I think UK police that want to handle guns should be trained up in parts of the USA like Florida\Washington DC
there they will face armed and very dangerous people every hour of every day not just now and then like they do here.

Or get the X-army guys that have been on the front line doing it.
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Clearly you're just trolling now and not even remotely interested in participating in a rational discussion. You're suggesting that our police are trigger-happy, yet you want to have them train in a country where it's standard practice to empty your magazine at a suspect? Or better yet, involve the military in policing?

Seek help.

deuse said:
HUH you do know what a PCSO is? or are you saying there not police?
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PCSOs aren't sworn police officers.

deuse said:
All you lot haven't read the whole thread now go off and start again.This time get it right.
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Reading your nonsense more than once could cause brain damage so it's probably not recommended.
 
So was there any looting last night or peaceful protesting - whatever they call it these days - or was it too cold?

I noticed to drum up up a few hundred 'protestors' they had to include other 'lawfully killed' characters - though surely a bit insulting to demendez to be lumped into the same group as a two bit villain like duggan.

The lack of support really shows that other than a few left wing nuts no one really cares about this case.
 
This Panorama episode is ridiculous. Hard stops are a necessary, high risk option for when people known to have access to firearms. I fail to see why there is such outrage.
 
Burnsy2023 said:
This Panorama episode is ridiculous. Hard stops are a necessary, high risk option for when people known to have access to firearms. I fail to see why there is such outrage.
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seems so... its all well and good the IPCC saying 'hard stops are risky m'kay' but without anyone proposing a viable alternative then WTF do they expect to happen when known scumbags acquire deadly weapons and intend to go and use them...

In these dubious shootings whether Azelle Rodney or Duggan etc.. despite the mothers claiming their little darlings were good boys there were still weapons present at the scene and these people were most likely on their way to do something with those weapons.

Of course its risky, anyone who isn't immediately compliant or makes any move which seems suspicious is liable to be shot... I can see why Azelle Rodney was at risk - they'd supposedly just received a report that those guys had picked up a machine-gun - they'd presumably be especially worried about the guy sitting in the back of the car...
 
dowie said:
its all well and good the IPCC saying 'hard stops are risky m'kay'
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It's risky FOR THE ARMED CRIMINAL

I haven't heard any viable alternatives, but none of the criticism has looked at risk to the police or public. The IPCC criticism is very clear that the risk to the illegally armed individual is high. On the face of it, hard stops look like a good way to protect the people that matter.

Asking them nicely and offering up a box of Roses is hardly going to work...
 
estebanrey said:
Or just people frequenting nearby pubs it seems.

I don't understand how putting bystanders at serious risk outweighs the risk of letting one criminal gang shoot members of another criminal gang.
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What so the criminal gang can accidentally kill people frequenting pubs instead?
 
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