OcUK Mafia game thread - Game 2

It seems some people want to see what they want and not what's right in front of them. Look through this thread and ask yourself who has murdered innocent townies by lynching and who hasn't. Quick tip - I've not lynched anyone, but Brabbinho and Killswitch have. For all of his careful consideration, I'm surprised at Shamikebab, who has decided to side with the people who murdered poor Gooner and were shown to be wrong then.

If that's not enough, then I guess the game is up. Kaiowas as good as outed me as the cop - which I can confirm that I am. I was hoping no-one would point it out quite so obviously and perhaps give me another night to investigate and confirm my suspicions, or at least leave it until an hour or so before the vote ended for me to out myself if the vote was failing. Sadly, I'll not make it past tonight's knifing now, no matter what happens, so I may as well share what I know. I tried to be subtle at first, but it failed to sink in (for some of you!), so I went for the forceful approach which also failed.

On night one I was ready to look into someone else, but I investigated Brabbinho (after his utterless pointless vote) and confirmed that he is a member of the mafia. On night two, Shamikebab was the target of my investigation due to his refusal to vote (which effectively left Gooner to die). Amazingly, he's a townie - although he appears to have thrown his lot in with the mafia.

So, make of that what you will - no matter what, I figure the fate of the town is no longer in my hands.

My advice is to lynch Brabbinho which will prove me right. After that, I'll get knifed, and you lot will be left to pick up the pieces.
 
I'm afraid I don't believe you. If I was the cop I certainly wouldn't be announcing it to the rest of the townsfolk! You're playing a very bold card by coming out with all of this but I don't believe it's the truth, more like a very elaborate psychological ploy.

As for the whole lynching innocent people, well, we have to, otherwise we would be here forever with nobody ever voting! Sure we have gotten it wrong a few times, but it's virtually impossible to make the right call in the early stage! I feel my votes have always gone based on the evidence presented to me, based on the behaviour of the individuals in question. You can't blame anything solely on Brabbinho or myself as we are all in this together.

I'd like to believe you're being honest, but I'm afraid I cannot, it's such an easy thing to do, to come out and say you're the cop, there's nothing to back it up really is there? I mean most of what you have just said is based on hindsight isn't it. Come on, fess up. :p
 
K1LLSW1TCH said:
I'm afraid I don't believe you. If I was the cop I certainly wouldn't be announcing it to the rest of the townsfolk! You're playing a very bold card by coming out with all of this but I don't believe it's the truth, more like a very elaborate psychological ploy.

As for the whole lynching innocent people, well, we have to, otherwise we would be here forever with nobody ever voting! Sure we have gotten it wrong a few times, but it's virtually impossible to make the right call in the early stage! I feel my votes have always gone based on the evidence presented to me, based on the behaviour of the individuals in question. You can't blame anything solely on Brabbinho or myself as we are all in this together.

I'd like to believe you're being honest, but I'm afraid I cannot, it's such an easy thing to do, to come out and say you're the cop, there's nothing to back it up really is there? I mean most of what you have just said is based on hindsight isn't it. Come on, fess up. :p
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I had no choice. If I was lynched, then the town is doomed. If I can get Brabbinho lynched, then the town has a chance but I expect to get knifed. Sadly, the two of you have convinced Shamikebab to join you - but I know he's innocent. For the good of the town, I had to come clean.

I have been consistent in my convictions, not lynched any innocents and there is not one word of a lie in any of my posts. You and Brabbinho cannot say the same. If people still support you after my announcement, then the town deserves to lose.
 
Quite the bold move with that bombshell there! :eek:

If what you say is true we can only hope someone else changes their mind as I alone cannot save you from the noose today!
 
Pookie Bear said:
I had no choice. If I was lynched, then the town is doomed. If I can get Brabbinho lynched, then the town has a chance but I expect to get knifed. Sadly, the two of you have convinced Shamikebab to join you - but I know he's innocent. For the good of the town, I had to come clean.

I have been consistent in my convictions, not lynched any innocents and there is not one word of a lie in any of my posts. You and Brabbinho cannot say the same. If people still support you after my announcement, then the town deserves to lose.
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However, as I believe you're a mafia member then all you need to do is to convince the town people that you're not in the mafia and you'll survive another day. Saying you're the cop is the perfect way to do this as you know the townies aren't going to lynch a cop. Thing is though you're actually in the mob and so don't need to worry about being murdered in your sleep.

I'm close right? :p
 
It's really not a bold move. It's the right time for the cop to reveal all. These are desperate times. If we lynch Brabbinho today, pookie gets whacked, we lynch killswitch tomorrow. Town win.

Alternatively you can lynch pookie today, a townie gets whacked tonight, it's 2v2 and the mafia will win.

It's really that simple and it's down to shami and psy to decide the game.
 
K1LLSW1TCH said:
However, as I believe you're a mafia member then all you need to do is to convince the town people that you're not in the mafia and you'll survive another day. Saying you're the cop is the perfect way to do this as you know the townies aren't going to lynch a cop. Thing is though you're actually in the mob and so don't need to worry about being murdered in your sleep.

I'm close right? :p
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If pookie isn't the cop, who is?
 
kaiowas said:
If pookie isn't the cop, who is?
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I'm not sure who the cop is, I just don't like the way Pookie has tried to turn certain townies against other townies with his mini with me or against me speech! There isn't any evidence to suggest Brabbinho is in the mafia other than the words of Pookie which hold no more weight to me personally than the word of any other player left in the game.

His actions thus far are the actions of somebody who is desperate to save themselves at all costs. Let's say we lynch Brabbinho and then Pookie isn't killed tonight. What then?

We had a similar situation when Egon was killed, Pookie would surely be dead if Brabbinho was in the mob, but apparently Egon being killed means Brabbinho is in the mob still? Despite the fact that Brabbinho had the chance to kill Pookie last night if he were indeed in the mafia?

There's nothing that Pookie has said so far which changes my mind that this is anything other than a gamble. He killed Egon last night and has deliberately not voted for certain players as part of his gameplan.
 
Thinking about it the mafia can only be one of 2 combinations I reckon:

Pookie/Kaiowas - the extent that Pookie goes to implicate someone else is scary and the speed at which he is backed by Kaiowas is also worrying.

Brabbinho/Killswitch - On this pairing I have nothing to base my suspicions on but it's the only logical combo since I'm not mafia and apparently neither is Shami.

My head says stick with lynching Pookie but if the above post from Pookie is true then everyone loses! :(
 
Tomorrow will be interesting for sure! Personally I cannot take Pookie's accusations seriously at this moment in time. The first lynching he voted for somebody who clearly wasn't going to be lynched, this set him up perfectly for the future where he could claim he'd never killed an innocent person. As for the cop stuff it may be genuine, or it could be a completely made up story, based on a combination of the wonders of hindsight and his forward planning which occurred much earlier on.

I personally believe he has played this out exactly how he'd planned and there's a chance things may fall his way but we'll have to see. Certainly him just saying he's the cop doesn't make it so, and if indeed he is mafia then saying he's the cop is a good move to ensure no townie dare vote to lynch him. The cop could have been killed by the mafia earlier in the thread seeing as mafia victim's roles are not divulged to us. I don't buy it.
 
Has Pookie refrained from part in the lynching of any innocents? Yes.
Has Pookie's approach been consistent? Yes.
Has Pookie's support for lynching Brabbinho changed from day two to day three? Yes.
Has Pookie told you everything he knows? Yes.

Has Brabbinho refrained from taking part in lynching an innocent? No.
Has Brabbinho's approach been consistent? No.
Has Brabbinho's supporter for lynching an innocent changed from day two to day three? No.
Has Brabbinho told you everything he knows? No.

If you still insist on not believing me, then that's your choice. I'm putting myself on the block to save the town, but if you don't accept that, then I'll be glad I'm gone!

As for not being the cop; has anyone else admitted being the cop? No. If it was that simple, someone guilty would have. As a cop, I tried to direct attention onto Brabbinho using subtlety and when it failed, I got desperate - how else would you expect me to act? I'm watching a person lie through his teeth to the entire community - and some of you - particularly an innocent I investigated (this is the most galling part!) - have fallen for it.
 
I don't think canvassing votes counts as subtlety.

At the moment the evidence for and against is very similar, it could really go either way. I've been distrustful of Kaiowas since day 2 and that in the end is what has made my decision.
 
Psymonkee said:
Thinking about it the mafia can only be one of 2 combinations I reckon:

Pookie/Kaiowas - the extent that Pookie goes to implicate someone else is scary and the speed at which he is backed by Kaiowas is also worrying.

Brabbinho/Killswitch - On this pairing I have nothing to base my suspicions on but it's the only logical combo since I'm not mafia and apparently neither is Shami.
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I'm glad you've reached that conclusion. The reason I'm quick to back Pookie? Because I reached the same conclusion earlier today, except that I have additional information that you don't. I'm town and I know it which only leaves one option for who the mob are.

Look back rough the thread. Brabbinho and killswitch have been covering each other's backs since day 1. I only started backing Pookie today when it became clear to me what was happening.
 
Then, Shamikebab, you are throwing your vote behind two people who murdered Gooner against two previously unaligned townies. If I'm lynched tonight, you'll see I'm a townie, but by then the town is doomed. My ghost will be pointing the finger at you. Sorry, I'll be pointing at your ghost, as you'll be dead too.
 
One final point about being the cop. If I was lying, then I'd have told you that Kaiowas was innocent. I didn't. He supports me, and that means he has my trust, but I've vindicated someone else - the person I investigated on night two. Shamikebab.

The choice is simple. Support a known murderer (of Gooner) or someone who has zealously pursued the one person he knows beyond all doubt is a mafia member.
 
Pookie Bear said:
One final point about being the cop. If I was lying, then I'd have told you that Kaiowas was innocent.
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Not necessarily. You suggested that if I were mafia the reason for not knifing you was for nefarious ends. Equally in your ruse about being the cop if you had stated Kaiowas was innocent it would have struck even more alarm bells in townie minds. Saying that Shami, who we all believe to be innocent, is a legitimate townie is an attempt to legitimize your ruse.

Personally I think Egon was the cop which led to his downfall
 
Regardless of anything else, the most important fact is this. You're a killer. I am not.

I'll either be lynched later with a clean conscience or knifed in the night for being the cop, knowing I gave my life to this town as well as all the information it needed to root out the mafia - whether they use that is down to them. Either way, I'll be dead by the next time morning comes around - and whether I was lynched or mafia'd will decide whether this town lives or dies.

I'm still amazed that the single-minded cop, confirming he has identified the mafia and not lynched anyone, is accused of being a liar, while those who have already lynched someone innocent and are voting for it again, are being backed. I think it's a blessing I'll be leaving this town shortly - it's full of nutters!
 
Pookie, you being the cop is just your word against others, the only person backing you up is Kaiowas who incidentally was the person most people were suspicious of yesterday and the day before. I think the cop was Egon, you killed him and are trying to use his identity against the townies to ensure your survival.
 
Think what you want. You're wrong.
I wish I'd investigated you instead of Shamikebab, but alas, I didn't. By the time people realise their mistake, the town will be lost.

If I was mafia and I wanted Brabbinho dead, I'd have killed him long ago - not desperately gone through the lynching process.

On the plus side, my ghost has a metric ****-ton of "I told you so's" waiting to hand out and oh man am I gonna enjoy handing them out :D
 
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