That would actually take more work, its easier to go with the high GPU platform and work down, much MUCH easier, they just scale as you world on a PC in a lot of ways then try and work when they can do with the "lower" quality one, they dont scale them both down.
eSRAM the reason Xbox One struggles with 1080p?
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That would actually take more work, its easier to go with the high GPU platform and work down, much MUCH easier, they just scale as you world on a PC in a lot of ways then try and work when they can do with the "lower" quality one, they dont scale them both down.
Thats pretty much it the Multi-platform, but theirs a few more things, im thinking depends what the Devs have in spending money, and worth the extra time/ work is worth it over the other.
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Oh of course, I'm very much over-simplifying it, but the basic principle is right IMO
that's pretty much how I see it... you'll get the odd exception for x1 where a dev invests more time getting the most they can and over time SDK kits for x1 could improve but for now, Sony has the better machine in terms of ability to get the most of with least effort and easier to work with hardware then x1.
it'll change over the years , but for now if multi plats are what you mostly play on a games console then you'd be looking at a ps4.
The time investment by Devs part is something Microsoft can greatly influence, people seem to forget that they are legitimately one of the BEST software and SDK providers full stop. If there's one thing MS know well it's how to provide great development tools and APIs, I would have thought MOST of the eSRAM usage would be a abstracted from most dev work anyway.
Either way I'm happy to own solely an X1 for mult-platforms until Sony release a first-party game to make me need a PS4 (I'm looking at you Naughty Dog!). As it stands MS have better 1st Party exclusives, and that's the only reason an X1 sits in my lounge not a Ps4.
Either way I'm happy to own solely an X1 for mult-platforms until Sony release a first-party game to make me need a PS4 (I'm looking at you Naughty Dog!). As it stands MS have better 1st Party exclusives, and that's the only reason an X1 sits in my lounge not a Ps4.
Though there has been discussion about how many ROPs are required to do 1080p, I do think the eSRAM is particularly to blame for the state of affairs with XO games right now purely because we still dont know how its being used/how well its being used.
Ive always thought (unlike the eDRAM) it would be used as cache between DDR3 and the GPU to improve memory bandwidth. That to me seems obvious, but there needs to be some management in how this works to ensure its actually efficient (32Mb isnt a lot!) so to me the question has always been how this management is dealt with.
If developers have to do it then we are where we are today where some are just better at understanding it than others at keeping the eSRAM efficient (weve heard chat about manually having to purge and fill the eSRAM by devs - I very much doubt this is what most devs want to be involved in at all), if MS get their drivers to organise the eSRAM then it should lead to more consistent usage which is where I think the performance improvement will come from when later SDKs are released.
Then comes the consideration that the eSRAM could be used as a framebuffer and that once you start looking at 1080p (with FPS limit? Im not too sure) with modern graphical techniques then 32Mb is just too small - its the reason why Forza 5 relies on so many older graphical techniques to hit 1080p 60fps...
To me thats the issues that eSRAM brings to 1080p, both its amount and how well its managed dependent on its actual use - ultimately its there to assist the memory bandwidth of DDR3 but it will take skill to do that well IMO. Though please dont forget Wii U uses a similar memory subsystem and that as a headline can do 1080p 60fps - it just doesnt attempt 'realistic' graphics when it does aim for that...
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Ive always thought (unlike the eDRAM) it would be used as cache between DDR3 and the GPU to improve memory bandwidth. That to me seems obvious, but there needs to be some management in how this works to ensure its actually efficient (32Mb isnt a lot!) so to me the question has always been how this management is dealt with.
If developers have to do it then we are where we are today where some are just better at understanding it than others at keeping the eSRAM efficient (weve heard chat about manually having to purge and fill the eSRAM by devs - I very much doubt this is what most devs want to be involved in at all), if MS get their drivers to organise the eSRAM then it should lead to more consistent usage which is where I think the performance improvement will come from when later SDKs are released.
Then comes the consideration that the eSRAM could be used as a framebuffer and that once you start looking at 1080p (with FPS limit? Im not too sure) with modern graphical techniques then 32Mb is just too small - its the reason why Forza 5 relies on so many older graphical techniques to hit 1080p 60fps...
To me thats the issues that eSRAM brings to 1080p, both its amount and how well its managed dependent on its actual use - ultimately its there to assist the memory bandwidth of DDR3 but it will take skill to do that well IMO. Though please dont forget Wii U uses a similar memory subsystem and that as a headline can do 1080p 60fps - it just doesnt attempt 'realistic' graphics when it does aim for that...
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Only if it's first party/exclusives. Any other games will be down to publishers and I can't see them allowing devs any more time/money to develop games on the X1(unless MS chuck them some money) than PS4. It certainly didn't happen last gen.
Improvements will surely be made but it's not going to result in Xbox One 'catching up' like is repeatedly being suggested, even if Xbox One had 8GB GDDR5 the same as PS4 (and therefore didn't need any ESRAM) it would still be at a huge disadvantage due to the significantly less powerful GPU.
Even AMD themselves target 1080P with 32 ROP cards, this myth that better ESRAM usage will put the consoles on par needs to die. Just buy a couple of PC graphics cards one with 16 ROPs and another 32 ROPs and compare them at 1080P to see the difference, with the graphics turned up at 720P they will perform similarly whereas at 1080P the 16 ROP card will drop off a lot more significantly.
EDIT: these are roughly the PC equivalents:
http://gpuboss.com/gpus/Radeon-HD-7870-vs-Radeon-HD-7790
Bearing in mind that both console have 2 of the compute units disabled and Xbox One doesn't have GDDR5, PS4 also has advancements in compute.
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Where was I purporting the myth? COD Ghosts and the difference in performance isnt just down to ROPs, theres far more than just that right now to directly attribute it just to a single spec difference...
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What games have you developed on the Xbox One?
You can avoid such responses next time by participating in your own thread in the first place by actually posting your own thoughts or opinions on said subject.
Im not saying it will "catch up" as such, but developers using the ESRAM more and understanding it should produce better results than is currently being seen.
So a firmware update and an sdk update can overcome an inferior GPU (vastly in some parts), slow memory and a small esram cache that is not suited to 1080p.
Nonsense!
All the new sdk and firmware etc will do is help the X1 achieve closer to its potential, something that is determined by the silicon ...... silicon that is inferior to the PS4.
Also those believing that PS4 libraries etc will stay still and not progress are daft, as the X1 improves in that area as does the PS4.
The X1 will always have inferior graphics and performance of multiplatform titles.
Who is saying the updates will overcome the GPU difference? I've not read anyone say that.
What do you want this question to lead to?
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Catch up is not the same as overtake
I think you have misunderstood. No one has said the XB1 will be able to overtake PS4's GPU. Not even the poster you previously quoted.
Catch up is not the same as overtake
Who has said overtake?
Regardless neither catch up or overtake is realistic.
It should always have inferior graphics, but not inferior performance, if developers are doing their jobs right on both platforms.
If an XB1 game is getting noticably jerky, or has 'bad performance' then that's the developers fault, not the XB1 or Microsoft's fault.
Similarly if a PS4 game isn't taking advantage of whatever hardware benefits, then that's down to the developer.
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