Greenlizard0 Weekend Football Thread ** spoilers ** [7th - 12th February 2014]

[G|mp]

Hopefully Rosicky will start tonight, I'm in favour of dropping Ozil to the bench for this one, he was absolutely dire against Liverpool and he's been out of form for weeks now. Wouldn't mind seeing Chamberlain play through the middle, Arteta doesn't look mobile enough since coming back and we're really missing Flamini who tends to be everywhere in the midfield.

Not really sure if I can call a winner, I mean I'm not sure how Koscielny and Mertesacker are going to cope with Moyes' incredibly intricate attacking system which obviously only a person of high footballing intellect could even begin to understand p). But then it's United and no matter how crap they're doing currently - they always beat us.

I would rather Ozil play than Rosicky as well, Roiscky always looks dangerous when we play Arsenal :/

 

[drunkenmaster]

And then the likes of Rio , Evra and Vidic leave the club and save over £300K a WEEK

And while we will have to bring in new players, they wont be on the same level of wages that those players were on.

Did you have a point? 300k a week is 15mil a year, 100k a week on 3 players is, well, Mata will already be on way more 100k a week himself(closer to 200k?), add Fellaini. This previous numbers are with huge sponsorship increases, but without Fellaini or Mata's transfers or wages on the books. So 300k a week saving would most likely only offset what those two are on.

Then we have, why wouldn't players be on the same level of wages? What Ronaldo started on at Utd and what Hazard would have started on years later at Chelsea is hugely different amounts.

Utd need top players for central mid and defence, and those players coming in both know how weak Utd are, and how strong the clubs revenues are, that puts them in massively stronger negotiating position, not least because the average wage has moved on massively from when Vidic, Rio, Evra, Carrick, etc, joined.

Thinking you'll get "cheap" wage players to replace these guys is frankly, silly. For every player who leaves, Anderson, Evra, Giggs, Vidic, you need someone BETTER than those players are currently and will be signing them at a time when there is more money in football. Utd wages are higher than they were when those guys signed, money at all their competitors across Europe is higher. A player signing in 2005 and 2014, same quality player in the same situation will be asking for vastly different amounts of money.

The only way losing a bunch of players helps financially is if you get rid of 5 players, NOT getting replacements and saving the difference for a few years. In reality, you lose some players, you buy others, their agents/lawyers/managers know precisely how much money UTd have, what other players are on around Europe, know what they are worth and they'll be on the same or higher wages than those guys are currently. They all signed deals before tv money was huge, before the shirt deal came through, the next batch will all sign knowing about that money and negotiating from that starting point.

 

[dannyjo22]

I'm more worried about performances than results for the rest of this season. I hope the players take it upon themselves to stop the ridiculous crossing game that so clearly doesn't work.

I think a point being missed is that over half the players on that pitch now know they have no future at the side anymore. The fans are saying it, the club is saying about transition and new faces and big transfer budgets almost weekly.

That has to impact the motivation with a lot of those players. Especially those whose careers are just about over too. Cue Ferdinand who knows he's over so is happy to take to twitter and help take his manager down too.

I'd have booted that **** out and paid his wages to the end of the year.

 

[SS-89]

You can come out with that if we have 20 years in the wilderness, until then, statements like that will bite you in the arse

Exactly, people were saying the same about us two years ago about the aging squad and slow decline etc. etc. Admittedly winning the champions league when finishing outside of the top 4 helped our rebuilding process. If United finish outside the top 4 and decide to retain Moyes then I'll admit I'd struggle to see most top quality players wanting to move there.

 

[K1LLSW1TCH]

I would rather Ozil play than Rosicky as well, Roiscky always looks dangerous when we play Arsenal :/

He should have started against 'Pool as well, Ozil needs a rest or a kick up the Burnsy or something. He's looked completely off it for a while.

 

[G|mp]

He should have started against 'Pool as well, Ozil needs a rest or a kick up the Burnsy or something. He's looked completely off it for a while.

Burnsy

Don't let Spawn hear you say that, his Ozil sense will be tingling right now!

 

[dmcg]

apparently david moyes is safe until christmas if things don't get better let's hope hes doesn't fluke a champions league like chelsea or we will never get rid

 

[Robbo]

I think a point being missed is that over half the players on that pitch now know they have no future at the side anymore. The fans are saying it, the club is saying about transition and new faces and big transfer budgets almost weekly.

That has to impact the motivation with a lot of those players. Especially those whose careers are just about over too. Cue Ferdinand who knows he's over so is happy to take to twitter and help take his manager down too.

I'd have booted that **** out and paid his wages to the end of the year.

That's all true, it probably isn't helping matters. Regardless though, I can't even remotely understand what Moyes is thinking tactically.

 

[G|mp]

Exactly, people were saying the same about us two years ago about the aging squad and slow decline etc. etc. Admittedly winning the champions league when finishing outside of the top 4 helped our rebuilding process. If United finish outside the top 4 and decide to retain Moyes then I'll admit I'd struggle to see most top quality players wanting to move there.

I agree completely but you can't categorically say that United won't be able to attract big players if they are outside of the top 4? Liverpool signed Carroll and he's massive!

In all seriousness though, whilst it is obviously tougher to sign WC players if you're out of the running, it's not impossible, a lot has to be said for the stature of the club as a whole in that situation.

 

[Newbie007]

Exactly, people were saying the same about us two years ago about the aging squad and slow decline etc. etc. Admittedly winning the champions league when finishing outside of the top 4 helped our rebuilding process. If United finish outside the top 4 and decide to retain Moyes then I'll admit I'd struggle to see most top quality players wanting to move there.

Do you think Hazard would have signed if you hadnt won the CL?

 

[K1LLSW1TCH]

Burnsy

Don't let Spawn hear you say that, his Ozil sense will be tingling right now!

Haha.

Actually I'm waiting for his sage guidance concerning tonight's game. We could win against what is a poor United side but we may also lose. The possibility of a draw is also there too. lollol

Oh wait that's not right, I used too many punctuation marks. (Just kidding Yasiiir)

 

[G|mp]

Do you think Hazard would have signed if you hadnt won the CL?

Do you think Gerrard would have stayed if you hadn't?

 

[G|mp]

Haha.

Actually I'm waiting for his sage guidance concerning tonight's game. We could win against what is a poor United side but we may also lose. The possibility of a draw is also there too. lollol

Oh wait that's not right, I used too many punctuation marks. (Just kidding Yasiiir)

LoLz

Tbh he's always right with his predictions

 

[Newbie007]

Yes - and late edit to the above quoted post, Hazards whole tagline was that he wanted to sign for the CL champions.

 

[K1LLSW1TCH]

LoLz

Tbh he's always right with his predictions

Never gets a good return down the betting shop though.

 

[G|mp]

Yes - and late edit to the above quoted post, Hazards whole tagline was that he wanted to sign for the CL champions.

From what I remember he was on his way to Chelsea.

Regarding Hazard, he was going to whoever paid his agent the most.

Never gets a good return down the betting shop though.

Spread betting blad.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

I agree completely but you can't categorically say that United won't be able to attract big players if they are outside of the top 4? Liverpool signed Carroll and he's massive!

In all seriousness though, whilst it is obviously tougher to sign WC players if you're out of the running, it's not impossible, a lot has to be said for the stature of the club as a whole in that situation.

Well no doubt u can afford players but lets say the player has 3 options and both the other teams are in the CL and United are not it makes it very hard to sign top players then.

Secondly who realistically wants to play for David Moyes? I mean Man United is losing a lot of it's appeal i think sacking Moyes first would be more important than bringing in players imo.

 

[K1LLSW1TCH]

Well no doubt u can afford players but lets say the player has 3 options and both the other teams are in the CL and United are not it makes it very hard to sign top players then.

Secondly who realistically wants to play for David Moyes? I mean Man United is losing a lot of it's appeal i think sacking Moyes first would be more important than bringing in players imo.

United still have massive pull despite six months of rubbish performances and a manager who has thus far shown himself to be completely and utterly tactically inept. They've just signed Mata for a start, he'd be a star player for pretty much any team in Europe.

 

[G|mp]

It's like in Italy, AC Milan may be going through a bad patch but you can sure as hell bet they're a more attractive proposition than someone who may be in a CL place for a year or two.

 

[Purdy]

How do people know if Hazard went because chelsea were CL winners/paying him the most/paid his agent the most/gets to work under Di Matteo?