Sanctions to hit part time workers

Dolph said:
It is much better. However, the argument for a living wage when discussing part time work is surely flawed as the living wage is calculated on a full time basis...
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And if a living wage was paid we wouldn't have to subsidise employers wage bills we would then be in a better position to help those part time workers who can't find full time work or only work part time due to other commitments such as caring responsibilities without resorting to punishments.
 
DannyDrama said:
Yeah but then they'd have to make the rich pay up, and they can't have that no matter what.
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At least the rich aren't breaking the law like the tax evaders... Builders/labourers, taxi drivers etc. who don't declare their full income. Then there those on this forum that know danm well they aren't going to be paying any tax when ordering things from abroad that arrive as "spare part" or "warranty replacement"...

That's billions in tax lost there alone. At least the big corporations are being honest about their tax AND paying it somewhere (even if not in the UK).
 
Amp34 said:
At least the rich aren't breaking the law like the tax evaders... Builders/labourers, taxi drivers etc. who don't declare their full income. Then there those on this forum that know danm well they aren't going to be paying any tax when ordering things from abroad that arrive as "spare part" or "warranty replacement"...

That's billions in tax lost there alone. At least the big corporations are being honest about their tax AND paying it somewhere (even if not in the UK).
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Yeah you'd never get rich people like Chris Moyles breaking the law with regards to his tax arrangements.
 
Amp34 said:
Then there those on this forum that know danm well they aren't going to be paying any tax when ordering things from abroad that arrive as "spare part" or "warranty replacement"....
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to be fair the majority of people who order from abroad are just hoping it gets past customs without tax for the simple reason of parcelforce or royal mail charging you a £7-£14 handling fee.

most people would happily pay the import fees but usually the stupid handling fee which is nothing to do with customs is far more than the damn custom fees are
 
spankingtexan said:
Agreed, the NMW is a joke, even the proposed increase just isn't enough. Rents have soared to dizzying heights with the greedy rich landlords cashing in on housing benefit. I fear for our future and those who will be punished if they can't find full time work or secure enough hours to stop the vile Government from punishing them, disgraceful.
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My rent is 450 a month, that's for a 2 bed flat, cheap for what it is, but still almost half of my monthly income alone, average price for a 1 bed flat around here is 95/week, a house share can be between 60-70/week.

Rental prices are just insane and until that changes those on low incomes will always be at the mercy of the benefit system. Gone are the days where someone earning 10-12k can afford to to own their own house with a mortgage like many of our parent's could do.
 
What proposals do people have for working to reduce rents? No property rights abuses please...
 
It depends if you count caps on rents as rights abuses. In the short term you need to regulate the industry to stop fee-gouging at every point (so people can afford to move from one rent to the other without being hit by a £600 fee from the agent for credit-checking them). In the long term you need to rebuild the stock of local authority owned housing stock to prevent housing benefit money being diverted en masse out of the public sector.
 
Caged said:
It depends if you count caps on rents as rights abuses. In the short term you need to regulate the industry to stop fee-gouging at every point (so people can afford to move from one rent to the other without being hit by a £600 fee from the agent for credit-checking them). In the long term you need to rebuild the stock of local authority owned housing stock to prevent housing benefit money being diverted en masse out of the public sector.
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Rent caps are an abuse of property rights, but worse than that they don't work very well as they further reduce supply as well as quality.

The key thing that drives up prices is a mismatch of supply and demand, housing benefit ironically makes this worse and drives prices up further.

We also need to tackle under occupation in social housing, people living in social housing who don't need it (like bob crow) and remove right to buy.

Lastly, we need to tackle the planning system to remove the barriers to building that makes new development a costly and restrictive process.
 
Dolph said:
Because I value all human rights. I know you don't, so we can leave it there.
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All human rights except tenant's rights it seems. Will you not accept that there's a balance to be had?

We also need to tackle under occupation in social housing, people living in social housing who don't need it (like bob crow) and remove right to buy.
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I agree, but I don't think this is the going to have much of an impact.

Lastly, we need to tackle the planning system to remove the barriers to building that makes new development a costly and restrictive process.
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So we build on flood plains and other inappropriate places. Yes the planning process is lengthy and expensive but it's also a fact that developers have been engaged in landbanking to keep the supply of housing low and therefore the price of new builds high.
 
What about professional carers? A lot of those are 'part time', because the employer forces them to be self-employed, and doesn't consider time spent travelling as working time. They also don't provide transport or fuel costs.

I guess a lot of carers will be forced to move into a different line of work.

But then this government really doesn't like the elderly either, so if they have to wallow in their own filth, I don't think they care... perhaps the they're hoping they'll die off and stop being a drain on the NHS.
 
Dolph said:
What proposals do people have for working to reduce rents? No property rights abuses please...
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The biggest thing has to be to build more housing. I'm sure there are incentives that could be built in to the tax system to get developers to start using their land banks and start pushing out properties at a rate that actually has an impact. There are also a lot of unused office properties around the UK that would be very suitable for re-development if planning permission could be obtained. These tend to be town centre as well, which has its benefits in that you hopefully don't need too much additional infrastructure for the development to be successful.
 
daz said:
The biggest thing has to be to build more housing. I'm sure there are incentives that could be built in to the tax system to get developers to start using their land banks and start pushing out properties at a rate that actually has an impact. There are also a lot of unused office properties around the UK that would be very suitable for re-development if planning permission could be obtained. These tend to be town centre as well, which has its benefits in that you hopefully don't need too much additional infrastructure for the development to be successful.
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All the housing built down here is auctioned off, and over 80% of it is bought by BTL landlords.

There is plenty of new housing going up, and yet rents are also going up. Landlords are just growing their property portfolios and nothing is changing.
 
spankingtexan said:
Interesting read here..
Private Haringey landlords receive £10.7million from the taxpayer

http://www.hamhighbroadway.co.uk/ne...ceive_10_7million_from_the_taxpayer_1_3370830

and here..
Richest MP in Britain slams welfare state but makes £625k a year in housing benefit

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/richest-mp-britain-slams-welfare-3178089
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That right there is the problem, the rich will do what ever they can to get richer even if it is at the expense of the poor.
 
scorza said:
All human rights except tenant's rights it seems. Will you not accept that there's a balance to be had?
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The balance is provided by housing benefit and social housing.


I agree, but I don't think this is the going to have much of an impact.



So we build on flood plains and other inappropriate places. Yes the planning process is lengthy and expensive but it's also a fact that developers have been engaged in landbanking to keep the supply of housing low and therefore the price of new builds high.
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Land banking is a result of the planning system and unreasonable demands placed making land with planning permission only worth building on in the right situation. Freeing the system from restrictive practice's doesn't mean a planning free for all, just a significant lowering of the barriers currently put in place.
 
The way the economy is going (ignoring the media propaganda of recovery) we will all end up down the benefits route.

Why do you think they are doing this ....lol
 
FoxEye said:
What about professional carers? A lot of those are 'part time', because the employer forces them to be self-employed, and doesn't consider time spent travelling as working time. They also don't provide transport or fuel costs.

I guess a lot of carers will be forced to move into a different line of work.

But then this government really doesn't like the elderly either, so if they have to wallow in their own filth, I don't think they care... perhaps the they're hoping they'll die off and stop being a drain on the NHS.
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I think the way carers are paid and treated is one of the biggest disgraces of 21st century Britain. When you hear about carers being given 15 minute appointments where they can either make a meal for their patient or take them to the toilet it makes me wonder what's the point.
 
Dolph said:
The balance is provided by housing benefit and social housing.
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Housing benefit and social housing are only available to a tiny proportion of the country. What about tenants who work for a living and don't qualify for any benefits whatsoever?

Dolph said:
Land banking is a result of the planning system and unreasonable demands placed making land with planning permission only worth building on in the right situation. Freeing the system from restrictive practice's doesn't mean a planning free for all, just a significant lowering of the barriers currently put in place.
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Well it kinda does, councils are under enormous pressure to build houses and will do so whenever they can. I think it's only right and proper that the people affected by a new housing development are consulted - they know better than anyone. I've been involved in a successful campaign to deny planning permission (not housing) and I know that the grounds on which you can object to a development are quite limited.

In any case, there's only so much capacity in the house building industry. Freeing up land doesn't necessarily mean that more houses will be built any quicker.
 
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