£600 to spend on a single Graphics card ! What one should I get ?

[humbug]

That graph is incomplete with no minimums for Mantle and the hardware is nerfed to show Mantle in the best possible light. 3770k @stock, resolution 1080p lol.

Its accurate tho, look in the AMD Drivers / Mantle / BF4... threads and this is what people are reporting.

heres mine.

The numbers and what you see does not lie

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=25929809&postcount=2613

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=25931967&postcount=2616

 

[AWPC]

No single card will give decent FPS all across current titles @ 1440.

Buy either a GTX780Ti & compromise on some settings or a Titan Black & make do for about another year until Nvidia high end Maxwell cards come out but £600 will not be anywhere near enough your looking at around £700-800 ish @ launch.

Do the pixel math:
2560x1440=3.7M Pixels
1920x1200=2.3M Pixels
See why your GPU would struggle its almost twice the amount of polygons to render/light/shade etc etc

Perhaps look at a bigger 1080P monitor or wait for Maxwell high end GPU's.

 

[Kaapstad]

Its accurate tho, look in the AMD Drivers / Mantle / BF4... threads and this is what people are reporting.

heres mine.

The numbers and what you see does not lie

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=25929809&postcount=2613

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=25931967&postcount=2616

It is accurate but it does not give the total picture.

Mantles strengths are low resolutions and low CPU clockspeeds, as you increase both of these any advantages Mantles gives will dwindle away to nothing at very high resolutions and GPU settings running on an overclocked CPU.

Having said that anything extra that Mantle gives is worth having. I just wish AMD would get the performance on everything else sorted in the 14.X drivers so I can give them a go.

 

[triss]

For BF4 IMO the 290X is the best card.

BF4 + Mantle = awesome.

Its accurate tho, look in the AMD Drivers / Mantle / BF4... threads and this is what people are reporting.

heres mine.

The numbers and what you see does not lie

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=25929809&postcount=2613

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=25931967&postcount=2616

You have a 290X now humbug or is that a different card your showing?
Not getting into a this or that card war just interested if your results are what i could expect with a 290X as when i did some testing on a 290 reference at launch i thought i had higher results but i never wrote them down and i no longer have that rig in my possession

 

[humbug]

It is accurate but it does not give the total picture.

Mantles strengths are low resolutions and low CPU clockspeeds, as you increase both of these any advantages Mantles gives will dwindle away to nothing at very high resolutions and GPU settings running on an overclocked CPU.

Having said that anything extra that Mantle gives is worth having. I just wish AMD would get the performance on everything else sorted in the 14.X drivers so I can give them a go.

Thats a £280 i7, Kaap. to poor for you?

This is at 1080P if you look around people are reporting similar gains @ 1600P, Matt has a 4.8Ghz i7 2700K and is reporting significant gains.

There is nothing trivial about 1600P res and a 4.8Ghz i7 CPU, unless one is snobbish enough to think nothing less than a £750 12 Thread CPU and a 4K monitor or triple screens is not worth it.

There are huge gains with Mantle on mainstream rigs, expensive rigs by most peoples standards, even out of most people financial abilities.

There is down playing something and then there is just plain silly.

Unless jasonsony735 is running a very overclocked £750 CPU he will benefit from MUCH higher Minumum FPS with a 290X than he would with anything from Nvidia. AMD are by far the best thing for BF4.

 

[Kaapstad]

No single card will give decent FPS all across current titles @ 1440.

Buy either a GTX780Ti & compromise on some settings or a Titan Black & make do for about another year until Nvidia high end Maxwell cards come out but £600 will not be anywhere near enough your looking at around £700-800 ish @ launch.

Do the pixel math:
2560x1440=3.7M Pixels
1920x1200=2.3M Pixels
See why your GPU would struggle its almost twice the amount of polygons to render/light/shade etc etc

Perhaps look at a bigger 1080P monitor or wait for Maxwell high end GPU's.

This may sound strange coming from me but the Titan Black is the last card anyone should consider @1440p if you are going to use it on its own. The 780ti will give the same performance for less, the 290X although a little slower overall will be faster in some games. For the same money as a Titan Black you can get two 290Ps or 780s which will give nearly twice the performance.

@1440p you will never use even half the VRAM the Titan Black comes with.

 

[Kaapstad]

This is at 1080P if you look around people are reporting similar gains @ 1600P, Matt has a 4.8Ghz i7 2700K and is reporting significant gains.

There is nothing trivial about 1600P res and a 4.8Ghz i7 CPU, unless one is snobbish enough to think nothing less than a £750 12 Thread CPU and a 4K monitor or triple screens is not worth it.

There are huge gains with Mantle on mainstream rigs, expensive rigs by most people standards, even out of most people financial abilities.

Theres down playing something and then there is just plain silly.

It is all about settings even @1600p, if you use high settings Mantle will have very little impact, if you use low settings it will.

It would be interesting to see how LtMatt gets on using 1440p and maxed settings with and without Mantle. I think you will find that it is a lot lot closer than that graph you posted.

Anyone who uses a 12 Thread intel CPU and thinks it is faster running BF4 is a little misinformed. If I was serious about benching BF4 I would not go near an X79 system.

 

[MOOGLEYS]

For me BF4 runs considerably better at 1440p on the 780ti over the 290x with or without mantle. I notice small stutters on the 290x which do not happen with the 780ti.

 

[humbug]

It is all about settings even @1600p, if you use high settings Mantle will have very little impact, if you use low settings it will.

It would be interesting to see how LtMatt gets on using 1440p and maxed settings with and without Mantle. I think you will find that it is a lot lot closer than that graph you posted.

Anyone who uses a 12 Thread intel CPU and thinks it is faster running BF4 is a little misinformed. If I was serious about benching BF4 I would not go near an X79 system.

Don't pretend you don't understand any of this Kaap, don't play dumb, thats a #### trick.

If you keep cranking the settings up eventually the game will become GPU bound, it will get low FPS because the GPU can't deal with it.

With lower settings its CPU bound, you get low FPS because the CPU can't deal with it.

either way, you end up with low FPS. Mantle removed the CPU bottleneck. its about consistency. with Mantle you end up with consistent high FPS as you haven't got the CPU dragging it down.

Unless you turn the setting up so high the GPU can't handle it anymore you end up with low FPS by choking the GPU.

Your not stupid. you know this.

In DX my FPS are 40 to 170. or 40 to 90 FPS at high setting, in Mantle My FPS are 80 to 90. thats the difference and the effect.

 

[Kaapstad]

Don't pretend you don't understand any of this Kaap, don't play dumb, thats a ### trick.

If you keep cranking the settings up eventually the game will become GPU bound, it will get low FPS because the GPU can't deal with it.

With lower settings its CPU bound, you get low FPS because the CPU can't deal with it.

either way, you end up with low FPS. Mantle removed the CPU bottleneck. its about consistency. with Mantle you end up with consistent high FPS as you haven't got the CPU dragging it down.

Unless you turn the setting up so high the GPU can't handle it anymore and you end up with low FPS by choking the GPU.

Your not stupid. you know this.

If you are using a fast CPU and high settings it will make very little difference if you are using Mantle or not, that is the whole point.

I ran the Titans @stock on BF4 the other day using 1600p maxed and 200% resolution scaling. Equivalent to 5120 x 3200 so LtMatt and a few other sources tell me.

2014-03-02 01:17:47 - bf4
Frames: 14385 - Time: 220929ms - Avg: 65.111 - Min: 48 - Max: 92

I got very playable fps, it was also very smooth and the point is I only had to run the CPU @4.0 and obviously no Mantle.

Mantle gives a big boost at the bottom end but very little at the top end.

 

[humbug]

If you are using a fast CPU and high settings it will make very little difference if you are using Mantle or not, that is the whole point.

I ran the Titans @stock on BF4 the other day using 1600p maxed and 200% resolution scaling. Equivalent to 5120 x 3200 so LtMatt and a few other sources tell me.

2014-03-02 01:17:47 - bf4
Frames: 14385 - Time: 220929ms - Avg: 65.111 - Min: 48 - Max: 92

I got very playable fps, it was also very smooth and the point is I only had to run the CPU @4.0 and obviously no Mantle.

Mantle gives a big boost at the bottom end but very little at the top end.

A £280 i7 CPU is a fast CPU, they doubled the FPS with that CPU. doubled it, one more time; doubled the FPS with an i7.

That is my point.

Down play fail.

 

[Kaapstad]

A £280 i7 CPU is a fast CPU, they doubled the FPS with that CPU. doubled it, one more time; doubled the FPS with an i7.

That is my point.

Down play fail.

If you are on about the one in the graph, they are running it at stock.

Hands up who runs a 3770k @stock.

 

[AWPC]

This may sound strange coming from me but the Titan Black is the last card anyone should consider @1440p if you are going to use it on its own. The 780ti will give the same performance for less, the 290X although a little slower overall will be faster in some games. For the same money as a Titan Black you can get two 290Ps or 780s which will give nearly twice the performance.

@1440p you will never use even half the VRAM the Titan Black comes with.

The OP said he needed something to last 2-3 years therefore 6GB will last them 2-3 years surely

 

[humbug]

If you are on about the one in the graph, they are running it at stock.

Hands up who runs a 3770k @stock.

Right, and overclocking it will add 70% performance?

Get off Kaap. lol.

 

[triss]

The OP said he needed something to last 2-3 years therefore 6GB will last them 2-3 years surely

I think the what there saying about Vram ( i may well be wrong ) is that the titan really if its a single card the 6GB is wasted
If at anypoint in the future you will SLI then yes its more worth it as now You can have the Grunt to be able to run settings that need/use that Vram
But as a single card it cant.

 

[Kaapstad]

The OP said he needed something to last 2-3 years therefore 6GB will last them 2-3 years surely

Won't make the slightest difference @1440p

The only way it would do him any good is if he got more than one and ran at a higher resolution.

When the original Titans came out they were a lot faster than anything else available so it made it a (nearly) reasonable argument to use them at 1080p or 1440p. A year later there are other cheaper cards with the same sort of performance at the above resolutions.

 

[Kaapstad]

Right, and overclocking it will add 70% performance?

Get off Kaap. lol.

Would have been interesting to see the minimums on that graph.

As I say LtMatt has got a fast SB CPU, it will be interesting seeing the differences between Mantle and DirectX using max settings @1440p in BF4 and running the CPU @4.7

Lets see what LtMatt can get if he is willing to do the above.

I have a pretty good idea what he could manage and I don't think he will even get a tenth of that 70% lol.

 

[humbug]

Won't make the slightest difference @1440p

Oh lol, now your just reduced to making blanket statements.

Its no good saying But but but in this case or that case... its not so bad.... and so on. thats a poor argument. it really is. Mantle just does the job DX cant regardless, no need for compromise.

The 290X is cheaper than the 780TI, it has More vRam, the performance is the same in DX, its much better in Mantle and the 780TI does not have Mantle.

Passion for a product can have us backing our favourite colour. at the end of the day your arguing against something that is plenty independently evident.

In this case the 290X is just plain and simple the better option, there are opportunities where the 780TI is, this isn't it. no matter how hard you try, and its an individuals money thats being played with here.

The 780TI is a lesser yet more expensive compromise, the 290X is the real thing.

 

[MOOGLEYS]

Humbug do you have a 290x ?

 

[arc@css]

I'd say grab a 780 and keep the change.