#ItsWhatWeDo

[Burnsy2023]

Burnsy, please talk about the police more.

Thanks.

There's a back button, you're welcome to use it.

So what did they do... or are they not going to tell us.

I don't think there is a conclusion.

 

[Mynight]

No I agree you couldn't find out what's going on with the music being so loud however I would have expected them to indentify any threats before continuing like that.

Then again I'm not a policeman I can only say what I think without any experience to back it up.

I'd love to be in the police but I couldn't put up with what they do. I'd get done for police brutality

 

[Hades]

Totally unrelated to the thread but the title reminded me of the Bishop of Southwark

On 5 December 2006, Butler returned home from a function at the Irish embassy in London with a head injury, which he claimed to be unable to remember sustaining.[11] He contacted the police claiming that he had been mugged. However, it was subsequently suggested in the media that Butler, apparently under the influence of alcohol, had sustained the injury while being removed from a stranger's car into which he had apparently climbed and had begun throwing out the children's toys from the back seats.[11] On being questioned about this behaviour, he is alleged to have responded, "I'm the Bishop of Southwark, it's what I do."[12]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Butler_(bishop)

 

[andi]

I'm surprised if you thought this thread would go well

#powerofentry?

 

[Burnsy2023]

1st vid - Original arrest getting left as locals obviously know who he is so can be collected later. Fellow officer requesting urgent assistance obviously involved in a violent altercation taking priority imo.

So you'd leave someone who is under arrest and may get into another violent altercation?

Not saying it's necessarily wrong, but you'd have plenty of time to think about it whilst you were suspended following a professional standards investigation.

3rd vid - Wait as is, further assistance is on way. Only move casualty if it's clear there is going to be/is an engine fire in which case move casualty as best you can to a safe distance.

Easier said then done, especially when you don't know if/when the fuel will ignite.

 

[Burnsy2023]

I'm surprised if you thought this thread would go well

#powerofentry?

It's Scotland. #BOP

 

[deuse]

Zcars

 

[robgmun]

I'm actually genuinely interested in what you would have done the in the 3 situations above Burnsy, seeing you an officer. I would like to know if they take you through examples during training.

 

[[TW]Fox]

#unusualforburnseytopostathreadthatturnsouttobeaboutpolice

 

[Haggisman]

Two to the chest, one to the head would appear to be an appropriate response in all of those scenarios.

 

[robgmun]

Two to the chest, one to the head would appear to be an appropriate response in all of those scenarios.

Bit extreme for the poor guy in the car

 

[Haggisman]

Bit extreme for the poor guy in the car

Better than burning alive though I reckon!

Probably one in the leg for the mouthy whale in the first video too...

 

[The Dread Pirate]

1st vid - Original arrest getting left as locals obviously know who he is so can be collected later. Fellow officer requesting urgent assistance obviously involved in a violent altercation taking priority imo.

Original Arrest has the potential to turn Violent itself no telling how far that'll go so only option is to radio for more backup IMHO and keep the situation he's in under control.

2nd vid - Guy with the knife is going down with whatever is to hand, clearly violent and has just stabbed her colleague. Self defence so he's getting chibbed but obviously radio for help if possible before advancing via boxing stance.

Agreed but I wouldn't have allowed my colleague to approach the guy alone in the 1st place given the information provided and the fact they walked into an unlocked house so it was clearly an abnormal situation.

3rd vid - Wait as is, further assistance is on way. Only move casualty if it's clear there is going to be/is an engine fire in which case move casualty as best you can to a safe distance.

Not a normal situation really from what I could tell the officer was alone which seems out of the ordinary as every time I've seen on patrol or in a car or called for Police they're always with another officer as part of procedure so far as I'm aware. But given the situation the officer can do nothing but wait and keep assesing the situation as moving the casualty could do more harm than good even if you're trying to save him from going boom.

 

[kwerk]

Apparently Scottish police don't have squad cars, guns, tasers or knives? Round here it would be like:

#1 Would be cuffed and in the back of the squad card as soon as they left the building. Then both would have responded to next call and probably tased who ever was causing grief.

#2 Guns drawn as they entered, guy would be shot dead pretty quick.

#3 Probably would have grabbed a fire extinguiser before walking up, then spent less time chit chatting and checked for feeling/movement in hands/feet, then if the fire couldnt be put out, get out a knife and cut the seatbelt and drag him out.

 

[Burnsy2023]

I'm actually genuinely interested in what you would have done the in the 3 situations above Burnsy, seeing you an officer. I would if they take you through examples during training.

There isn't any training that can prepare you for those situations really.

1) Having thought about it, I don't know. If I did help my colleague, that would potentially lead to a lot of crap. What if the person arrested for the sex offence went on to rape someone or what if they got lynched and died? What if the colleague actually managed to get control back and it wasn't so bad? That would play out really well in the media.

2) I would **** myself probably. Emergency button would be pressed and I'd talk to him as best I could. Where that leads I don't know.

3) I would probably move him, rather he's paralyzed then dead.

#unusualforburnseytopostathreadthatturnsouttobeaboutpolice

#atleastitsnotanotherBMWthread

 

[Mrs Seabiscuit]

Spring into action and do what exactly? She doesn't have taser, she's probably in a bit of shock too.

Yeah s`pose. in fairness I think the 2nd vid to me is a little differcult to get what happened, so am i right in thinking the male officer was attacked?

 

[Mynight]

Took me a while to work out where that breathing was coming from. The camera just turned on the guy with the knife making weird noises (I assumed) taken straight out of a zombie film.

 

[Burnsy2023]

Yeah s`pose. in fairness I think the 2nd vid to me is a little differcult to get what happened, so am i right in thinking the male officer was attacked?

Throat slashed from what I gather.

 

[Windle]

So you'd leave someone who is under arrest and may get into another violent altercation?

Not saying it's necessarily wrong, but you'd have plenty of time to think about it whilst you were suspended following a professional standards investigation.

To clarify then, if you were in that situation you would stay with the original arrest and leave your colleague who is obviously involved in a fight and potentially getting beaten to a pulp?

 

[Burnsy2023]

To clarify then, if you were in that situation you would stay with the original arrest and leave your colleague who is obviously involved in a fight and potentially getting beaten to a pulp?

Like I said, I honestly don't know. Probably depends on the colleague and how well I think they could handle themselves and how I was feeling on the night. It's not an easy decision and even the right decision may end your career.