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Burnsy2023 said:
I wouldn't suggest it, cuffing to objects is very risky. What if he then got a kicking and couldn't get away?
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I see your point.

I would argue he shouldn't off assaulted a woman but then that goes against the law anyway.

Its a minefield I respect but don't envy their job :)
 
5UB said:
Also when looking back at a situation, you can know the right answers as to what should have been done sometimes. However whilst being in the situation, sometimes you cannot know what is right or wrong as you do not know what the situation will turn out like.
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It's amazing how little info you have when going into those situations. Sometimes I listen to the 999 calls of an incident and am dumbfounded by some really important information being missed off the log and therefore not passed to the deployed officers, but then it's easy for me to say that.
 
Mynight said:
I see your point.

I would argue he shouldn't off assaulted a woman but then that goes against the law anyway.

Its a minefield I respect but don't envy their job :)
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The problem with that is, what if he never assaulted the woman, and it was someone else? The situation vastly changes again into something completely different.
 
Very true don't know it for fact. The woman could just be drunk and assuming since he's the one in cuffs he must have been the one to assult her mate.

I'd make a crap police officer lol
 
Burnsy2023 said:
It's amazing how little info you have when going into those situations. Sometimes I listen to the 999 calls of an incident and am dumbfounded by some really important information being missed off the log and therefore not passed to the deployed officers, but then it's easy for me to say that.
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I guess a lot of people do not know what to say on a 999 call. I have had the "joy" of calling 999 myself, and to be honest, I had no clue what to say, I basically said what has happened as much as I could, and where it was.

I was lucky to know the full situation, however I bet a lot of 999 calls are reports about someone they do not know, or do not know the full situation themselves. Which means the emergency services do not have a lot to go by, and I guess that is why your job is dangerous, as it is up to you to find out what the problem is, and to try and tackle the issue.
 
5UB said:
themselves. Which means the emergency services do not have a lot to go by, and I guess that is why your job is dangerous, as it is up to you to find out what the problem is, and to try and tackle the issue.
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Interesting I had misread, I thought burnsy meant info coming from the dispatcher to the officer as opposed to the original 999 caller?
 
Burnsy can you clear up one thing for me please in the last Video the Copper is on his own surely he shouldn't be I though it was std procedure for officers to patrol in pairs when walking the beat or on car patrol.
 
Windle said:
Says in the video when he makes the initial call back to the control centre that they are on foot and need a car sent to get him back to station.
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I couldn't understand a word they were saying tbh, but I suppose they could have told the car to redirect to the other disturbance and stayed as a pair. If they had guns the other one probably wouldn't have got in trouble though.

Seems like in the UK there is so much public drunkenness the police are expected to treat everyone with kid gloves.
 
Ok so.

1)
- Warn him and anyone else that any aggressive actions will not be tolerated.

- ZIP tie both and place them on the ground

- run immediately to partner without any hesitation.

On a side note, along with the radio i will have a continuous voice activation VOIP call with my partner. Meaning i can react quicker if i deem the situation to be at risk of escalation. For example if my partner would say something along the lines of "put the knife down", that would mean i would drop anything and sprint in his direction.


2) If i were her i would run off while requesting backup on the radio.

Were it me i would take out my taser, and taser him, zip tie him, call an ambulance while applying pressure on his neck.

If i were a police officer who is allowed to carry a gun i would immediately shoot him dead, then call ambulance etc..


3) My first thought was to see about getting him out of the vehicle and to the side of the road.

Other than that i would ask him random questions to keep him awake etc

I am assuming that would be diesel, and as such im not worried out a fire, if it was petrol i would get a fire extinguisher from the car and attempt to put out the fire if it does start
 
platinum87 said:
Ok so.

1)
- Warn him and anyone else that any aggressive actions will not be tolerated.

- ZIP tie both and place them on the ground

- run immediately to partner without any hesitation.

On a side note, along with the radio i will have a continuous voice activation VOIP call with my partner. Meaning i can react quicker if i deem the situation to be at risk of escalation. For example if my partner would say something along the lines of "put the knife down", that would mean i would drop anything and sprint in his direction.


2) If i were her i would run off while requesting backup on the radio.

Were it me i would take out my taser, and taser him, zip tie him, call an ambulance while applying pressure on his neck.

If i were a police officer who is allowed to carry a gun i would immediately shoot him dead, then call ambulance etc..


3) My first thought was to see about getting him out of the vehicle and to the side of the road.

Other than that i would ask him random questions to keep him awake etc

I am assuming that would be diesel, and as such im not worried out a fire, if it was petrol i would get a fire extinguisher from the car and attempt to put out the fire if it does start
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Is that before or after eating your fish fingers? :confused:
 
Mrs Seabiscuit said:
Interesting I had misread, I thought burnsy meant info coming from the dispatcher to the officer as opposed to the original 999 caller?
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I meant the call taker but it's applicable to both. Simply having a good description of someone can make a huge difference but sometimes its difficult to get that from a witness.

The Dread Pirate said:
Burnsy can you clear up one thing for me please in the last Video the Copper is on his own surely he shouldn't be I though it was std procedure for officers to patrol in pairs when walking the beat or on car patrol.
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It might be different in Scotland where corroboration is an issue due to their funky laws but in E&W single crewing (depending where you are) can be the norm. I'm more often than not on my own.

kwerk said:
I couldn't understand a word they were saying tbh, but I suppose they could have told the car to redirect to the other disturbance and stayed as a pair. If they had guns the other one probably wouldn't have got in trouble though.

Seems like in the UK there is so much public drunkenness the police are expected to treat everyone with kid gloves.
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Guns aren't a magical answer, especially where the numbers are against you.
 
Burnsy2023 said:
It might be different in Scotland where corroboration is an issue due to their funky laws but in E&W single crewing (depending where you are) can be the norm. I'm more often than not on my own.
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I take issue with the single crewing as it can backfire on the police themselves and can cost time and money that could be better spent on more officers thus avoiding cases being lost due to lack of corroboration.
 
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