#ItsWhatWeDo

Burnsy2023 said:
You wouldn't be a Police Officer for very long with that attitude.
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I personally would never join as interactions with random people tend to annoy me, especially the type of interactions a police officer would experience.

But what i said i would do comes from a calm logical place. In the situation when i become extremely annoyed because of drunk fools i really do not know what i would do.

Still from experience nearly everyone from the military that i meet and drink with is worse then me, wanting to fight people clear in the open in KFC with me trying to convince them to put some training into action, and ambush them down the road where there are no cameras.

Maybe i should go to Russia and join the police force there.
 
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Pulling someone out of a car crash is a bad idea, they could have a broken neck, you inadvertently kill them and then the car doesn't ignite. Manslaughter ahoy.

2nd vid, i reckon 50:50 chance of escape or being killed or 50:50 disarming/cuffing him and saving colleague or being killed. Heavy situation that one.

1st vid the worst that I imagine could happen is the 2nd copper gets a beating, police don't tend to get murdered in city centres on a night out.
 
I have huge respect for the police. They do a very hard job for wages that just are not equivalent to the risks of the job.

The first video I think I would stay where I am. In cuffs the woman would beat the guy, out of cuffs the guy would beat her. There's no way of knowing how many other people might come out the pub and get involved. I assume the car on route would be imediately redirected to the other officer. However...in the heat of the moment I might not rationalise that...

Second video...no idea. I would have turned the music off before approaching the person at all. However..as said they deal with this sort of incident all the time and that probably changes attitudes towards distance and safety.

Third...don't move him. Assess it (how to get him out as safe as possible but still quickly) and be ready to grab him and pull at very short notice.

But...let's all be honest. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. You never know until in the situation. Adreneline flowing through you.
 
The Dread Pirate said:
I'd've thought in any case where it's Officer's word against Civilian where there's a lack of physical evidence corroboration would be key otherwise you'll end up with cases that go to trial being thrown out due to lack of evidence. It's wasteful of time & Money and other resources on both the forces side and the other parties side that could be better spent say on recruitment and wages. You could argue for hours with the positives of single crews but my main point still stands.
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It's quite common for a case to go to court on an officers word vs the defendants. Most of the time the court will take the officers word to be correct unless proven otherwise. I can't imagine a lot of stuff gets thrown out because of a single crewed officers evidence. Lots probably go to trial instead of a guilty plea because the defendant thinks he's more likely to get off, and there's probably some not-guilty verdicts because of it though, so you're not wrong that it does cost time and money.

The bigger issue with single crewing is that it puts officers at risk. I often work alone (will be doing tonight) and I often have to wait outside an address for other officers before its safe to enter. That's hard to do when someone could be in danger on the other side of the door.

The Dread Pirate said:
This is not encouraging in fact it's quite terrifying.:eek:
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If the general public truly understood just how thin the blue line is, I think most would be shocked and probably quite frightened. Very often all officers in my area are tied up and unable to respond to incidents. Sometimes all of them with a single job. That means that no matter how much you need them, there is literally no one to send.
 
andi said:
If the general public truly understood just how thin the blue line is, I think most would be shocked and probably quite frightened. Very often all officers in my area are tied up and unable to respond to incidents. Sometimes all of them with a single job. That means that no matter how much you need them, there is literally no one to send.
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That's quite concerning. Which area of Manchester is your patch?

Generally, my interactions with GMP have been very positive, with the exception of a pair of bullying firearms officers in the city centre (they didn't like where I was cycling - Their boss (chief supt?) thought differently when it was brought to his attention). I've only had to make a single 999 call, and that was a situation that had the potential to play out like video 2 - Officer attended in minutes, pretty impressed.
 
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Pure chav scum...

Isn't there some statistic often quoted that the police spend 90% of their time dealing with 10% of the population...
 
#1 Mace the gobby girl for obstruction and go and help his mate, she's not going to do that guy too much damage to that bloke anyway.

#2 Run for the front door, she's got a stab vest on but she's dead if she stays in there.

#3 Find the ignition and turn the car off, disconnect the battery if possible
Fill the engine bay and floor area with foam (I assume police cars carry extinguishers)
Tie a rope to his belt and get ready to drag him out if required.

#4 Try and pin 1,2 and 3 on a black guy.
 
The Dread Pirate said:
Burnsy can you clear up one thing for me please in the last Video the Copper is on his own surely he shouldn't be I though it was std procedure for officers to patrol in pairs when walking the beat or on car patrol.
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Urban myth matey. I'm single crewed about 95% of the time including night shifts. Scotland still has the Corroboration far as I'm aware do they will be in pairs.
 
Von Smallhausen said:
Urban myth matey. I'm single crewed about 95% of the time including night shifts. Scotland still has the Corroboration far as I'm aware do they will be in pairs.
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Likewise up here in Northern force. Very common to go to incidents on your own with the full knowledge that there is nobody else to back up you up if it goes wrong as the other 3 people working are busy elsewhere.
 
Indecent assault - Suspect would have been cuffed to the rear. Banshee woman would have been moved back and warned. Colleague yelling for assistance around the corner goes to the top of the list. He can't be cuffed to a lampost and left so he is either released or he is jogged around the corner with me where I'd assess again. Letting him go isn't ideal but in the absence of back up, it is justifiable.

RTC - I'd take the risk of getting him out of the car myself which looks possible in the scenario. Again, not ideal but a flipped car in an RTC with smoke and leaking fuel has to be dealt with. If it goes up then the IP, cop and potentially other emergency service folk go with it.

Cop stabbed - Anything goes. The cop is still alive and a suspect for attempted murder still holding a knife is confronting you. Unless he puts his hands up and drops the knife, any level of force is justifiable. Emergency button would be pressed for an open channel if the chance arose.
 
kwerk said:
If they aren't a magical answer why do cops here have a 18rd pistol, 2 or 3 spare 17rd mags, a backup pistol (11 rds g26 for example), and a patrol rifle in the car with at least 90 rds? Also a taser, pepper spray, baton and knife suitable for self-defense. I know that criminals have guns here but they seem to have a lot of knives in the UK which are deadly weapons too.

Would there really be more negligent police shootings than officer's lifes saved if they had guns?
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Might not be a magic answer but they are a tactical option - situations that warrant an immediate firearms response are typically far less frequent in the UK than they are in the US.
 
platinum87 said:
Still from experience nearly everyone from the military that i meet and drink with is worse then me, wanting to fight people clear in the open in KFC with me trying to convince them to put some training into action, and ambush them down the road where there are no cameras.
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Ahh, Call of Duty clanmates?
 
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