'Contact lost' with Malaysia Airlines plane

Rroff said:
Wouldn't be the altitude as much - 35000ft is still in range of GSM (2G) reception if line of sight - but the distance it had travelled out to sea would have put its distance outside of mobile reception range (land based transmitters) though some planes have onboard micro/picocells but they could have been disabled by someone knowledgeable enough.

The last known position by normal tracking would have been approx 15 minutes after the last possible point of getting normal phone reception.
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Yeah this is what i thought tbh, it's like looking down on the earth and seeing circles around the land transmitters. If it was outside of the closest land transmitter then everyone would have been scuppered. So odd all this, feel so sorry for the families. I don't expect they will find the plane anytime soon.
It actually is like something from a movie, you can't make this stuff up. I wonder what was on that plane? Is it true about those micro processing engineers onboard?
 
Rroff said:
Given that all the latest information seems to correspond to it travelling in the general direction of Iran (after turning about) + those Iranians using fake passports it would be quite reasonable to assume where its unintended destination was - whether it made it or not.
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Why would they fly it back to Iran? If you're suggesting the state decided that rather than just buy a used one they would steal one using Iranian citizens easily traced and fly it directly back instead.... Interesting theory... especially when Iran would be right at the extreme range of the plane and hijacking a plane flying out of the middle east would have made so much more sense if they are being so blatant about it.

Interesting to see who are bringing up the anti Iran/ anti Islam comments. The same people who do it all the time...
 
Amp34 said:
Why would they fly it back to Iran? If you're suggesting the state decided that rather than just buy a used one they would steal one using Iranian citizens easily traced and fly it directly back instead.... Interesting theory... especially when Iran would be right at the extreme range of the plane and hijacking a plane flying out of the middle east would have made so much more sense if they are being so blatant about it.

Interesting to see who are bringing up the anti Iran/ anti Islam comments. The same people who do it all the time...
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Agreed.

I thought the Iranian people were just asylum seekers?
 
dowie said:
Its most likely landed in the sea and sunk... it would be very unlikely that its landed safely somewhere and remained undiscovered.
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So you don't agree with anything in the post then as it all indicated a very well organised plan which would be unlikely to include "fly until the fuel runs out". It could have included fly somewhere, land on water and hope salvage "something" but even that is a stretch as even in shallow wahter you would have to have a suicidal pilot.
 
Amp34 said:
Why would they fly it back to Iran? If you're suggesting the state decided that rather than just buy a used one they would steal one using Iranian citizens easily traced and fly it directly back instead.... Interesting theory... especially when Iran would be right at the extreme range of the plane and hijacking a plane flying out of the middle east would have made so much more sense if they are being so blatant about it.

Interesting to see who are bringing up the anti Iran/ anti Islam comments. The same people who do it all the time...
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I have no idea why - but by extrapolation the general direction suggested by possible military, etc. tracking and time that diagnostic transmissions were still apparently being recieved for would fit. Then adding in that apparently Iranians boared with stolen passports and it seems a potentially credible possibility.

Assuming close to a full tank of fuel - it wasn't going to be a short flight anyhow - those planes even assuming a protracted route would have enough fuel to make Iran with several 100 miles of surplus fuel - possibly almost 2000 miles still in the tank.

Hope that last bit wasn't aimed at me.


EDIT: The idea that Iran would randomly steal an airliner is laughable dunno why you even suggested it.
 
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Amp34 said:
So you don't agree with anything in the post then as it all indicated a very well organised plan which would be unlikely to include "fly until the fuel runs out". It could have included fly somewhere, land on water and hope salvage "something" but even that is a stretch as even in shallow wahter you would have to have a suicidal pilot.
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I agree that it involved a plan, I agree it was organised (perhaps by one person perhaps by more than one)... I'm just stating that the end result is likely a crash landing at sea.
 
Amp34 said:
Interesting to see who are bringing up the anti Iran/ anti Islam comments. The same people who do it all the time...
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Let's be fair. The United States have been accused already, most of Asia too infact. It's also not as if Islamists don't have a track history with other people's planes and innocent lives is it?
 
I think if it isn't the derps stealing the plane, and losing it, blowing it up, trying to crash it - then it probably is the US shooting it down.

Heh, unless China is playing at silly buggers, shot it down when they realised a plane was nowhere it should be, shot it down, then realised it was full of their own citizens and would rather not admit that to their own.

US might be shutting up to keep China on side in the Ukraine yapping that is going on.
 
I think it's extremely likely that whatever has happened all the passengers are long dead. Even if the plane was hijacked and taken somewhere. I'm convinced now that's it's all about the plane, not the people on board
 
robgmun said:
I think it's extremely likely that whatever has happened all the passengers are long dead. Even if the plane was hijacked and taken somewhere. I'm convinced now that's it's all about the plane, not the people on board
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There are easier ways to get your hands on a 777-200 than hijacking one full of people that would draw a lot of attention - the freighter version is flown from a number of places with much less security.
 
Rroff said:
I have no idea why - but by extrapolation the general direction suggested by possible military, etc. tracking and time that diagnostic transmissions were still apparently being recieved for would fit. Then adding in that apparently Iranians boared with stolen passports and it seems a potentially credible possibility.

Assuming close to a full tank of fuel - it wasn't going to be a short flight anyhow - those planes even assuming a protracted route would have enough fuel to make Iran with several 100 miles of surplus fuel - possibly almost 2000 miles still in the tank.

Hope that last bit wasn't aimed at me.


EDIT: The idea that Iran would randomly steal an airliner is laughable dunno why you even suggested it.
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They would have been taking a round about route if you take the inmarsat locations into account though, which are the last (currently) known locations.

Why would two Iranians steal a jet to go back to Iran, somewhere they had just come from? If they were going back to Iran then they would have to land somewhere, which could indicate some state involvement.

As for the last bit, not particularly, just the usual people jumping to the islam/Iran terrorism argument, without any evidence (in fact Interpol stating they are very unlikely to be connected).

dowie said:
I agree that it involved a plan, I agree it was organised (perhaps by one person perhaps by more than one)... I'm just stating that the end result is likely a crash landing at sea.
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So they intentionally crashed into the sea?

I still don't understand where you are coming from on this.
 
robgmun said:
I think it's extremely likely that whatever has happened all the passengers are long dead. Even if the plane was hijacked and taken somewhere. I'm convinced now that's it's all about the plane, not the people on board
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Plane crashes, passengers are killed.

Plane hijacked because of high value cargo, the passengers are killed during the flight or when the plane lands.

Plane hijacked to take one or more of the passengers, the remaining passengers are killed during the flight or when the plane lands.

Plane hijacked with the intention of using it to crash in to a high value target at a later date, the passengers are either killed immediately or used as hostages during the act and shot down when the plane is intercepted or die during the crash.

Being a passenger won't have had or will have a happy ending, as you say, unless there's an ongoing hostage crisis we won't be told about until it's over.
 
Dis86 said:
Let's be fair. The United States have been accused already, most of Asia too infact. It's also not as if Islamists don't have a track history with other people's planes and innocent lives is it?
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And it was the usual conspiracy theorists that suggested that as well. That backs up the point i was making, people are taking their preexisting stereotypes and overlaying them on the evidence (even if there is no real fit). :D

Tuppy_Glossop said:
Maybe they want the defence/comms tech knowledge from the semiconductor guys ?
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You'd think they would be a bit more subtle about it though, which was my point.:)
 
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