I wasn't asking a direct question to you, its a general rhetorical one. IF this was correct then it's about the plane not the passengers. They could wait a few months until the news dies down and then next you know Jerusalem is a huge mushroom cloud'Contact lost' with Malaysia Airlines plane
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I wasn't asking a direct question to you, its a general rhetorical one. IF this was correct then it's about the plane not the passengers. They could wait a few months until the news dies down and then next you know Jerusalem is a huge mushroom cloud
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Im starting to find myself disgusted by the fact its dragged on for a week now.
They are already fitted to the aircraft, both portable and fixed ELT on our aircraft. Why they are not working is the question....
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I think there will be a lot of criticism on how long it took to find this plane when it has been located and the cause been found.
Probably arguments for another day, but the clock is ticking with regards to tracking devices etc.
It did take considerably longer time than the trackers operated to find Air France 447.
No it didn't. On the Helios flight (according to Wikipedia anyway, which I acknowledge is my only source of information) the only similar part is that a flight attendant entered the cockpit. Can this actually happen now, on a different plane 9 years later? I assumed all cockpit doors were locked from the inside now? Also, from the somewhat mysterious and inconsistent information we're now getting from the media about MH370, it appears that (a) course corrections were made; and (b) various communications equipment was deliberately switched off. That doesn't sound like something that could be achieved accidentally, or by someone who didn't intend to do so. Heck of a coincidence if it could!
I reckon there's a relatively simple, non-conspiracy explanation to all this. Unfortunately we don't know it, and likely will not now find out.
Given that all the latest information seems to correspond to it travelling in the general direction of Iran (after turning about) + those Iranians using fake passports it would be quite reasonable to assume where its unintended destination was - whether it made it or not.
Standard. I've known Heathrow stacked planes take 2 hours to stack before landing.
My fear really now is that if a wreckage is found, whilst people will be dead, we will never really know what happened....or, what was meant to happen....
My fear really now is that if a wreckage is found, whilst people will be dead, we will never really know what happened....or, what was meant to happen....
If we find some kind of wreckage it will give us a rough idea (more of an idea than we already have) of where it crashed/broke up. This will allow us to start a concentrated search for the black box, we'll just have to hope everythings recorded on it.
Yea, i agree that the disabling of the tracking system is extremely odd, I just don't see how you subdue 200 people without a peep from anyone on their phones. I read the thing earlier about turning off oxygen, but surely one person might have realised something. I don't know though obviously, i'm don't know anything about planes.
If there was a plot in place then the point it dissapeared from regular tracking would correspond to about the point in the flight that would have happened - waited until the plane was stabalising into regular flight, moved out of range of normal phone reception, etc. had enough time to put the plan into action and take over control.
Even the best laid plans can go bad though in that kind of situation - making a lot of assumptions they would have had to have flown very low and taken a detour around the indian ocean and back up the arabian sea assuming they were trying to make it to iran undetected.
Is 35,000ft out of mobile reception? I don't fly often, but the times i have, i've never text mid flight. Can you not send a text/call at that altitude? Or does the guy turn the oxygen off, then climb up to 50, 000ft (?) to get out of range of any potential 999 calls from passengers? I suppose it's a perfect ploy this really, turn off the oxygen, by the time anyone has a clue, everyone is dead. It's actually really scary a pilot has that control.
edit, this is random, you'll probably all know this anyway. Is 911 the emergency number for america? Odd that! Right, sorry, carry on..
edit, this is random, you'll probably all know this anyway. Is 911 the emergency number for america? Odd that! Right, sorry, carry on..
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I can't get a signal in my house, so 35,000 feet above the ocean is very highly unlikely. Apparently the plane had some sort of built in satellite driven GSM service, but that would probably be easy enough to turn off.
I can't get orange signal 2 miles direct line from our nearest transmitter so I doubt 6.5 miles is doable
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You guys are missing the obvious. Trained engineers can chop down a boeing 777, mask the serials and sell the parts of a 777 for around 40-60m. This is the case here, planes been landed in India somewhere and by now is long gone.
Its most likely landed in the sea and sunk... it would be very unlikely that its landed safely somewhere and remained undiscovered.
Dohhh...yeah i'm being an idiot. I was thinking the signal is beamed up first
That still took 2 days. It also didn't have tracking devices turned off, a new flightpath dialled in to avoid radar and wasn't flown thousands of miles off course purposely.
Is 35,000ft out of mobile reception? I don't fly often, but the times i have, i've never text mid flight. Can you not send a text/call at that altitude? Or does the guy turn the oxygen off, then climb up to 50, 000ft (?) to get out of range of any potential 999 calls from passengers? I suppose it's a perfect ploy this really, turn off the oxygen, by the time anyone has a clue, everyone is dead. It's actually really scary a pilot has that control.
edit, this is random, you'll probably all know this anyway. Is 911 the emergency number for america? Odd that! Right, sorry, carry on..
Wouldn't be the altitude as much - 35000ft is still in range of GSM (2G) reception if line of sight - but the distance it had travelled out to sea would have put its distance outside of mobile reception range (land based transmitters) though some planes have onboard micro/picocells but they could have been disabled by someone knowledgeable enough.
The last known position by normal tracking would have been approx 15 minutes after the last possible point of getting normal phone reception. (And a little over the same time until they could potentially have regained mobile reception possibly from the next landmass they were due to fly over) which does make it possibly rather conveniently timed).
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Yet somehow in 5 plus hours they couldn't work out how to turn on the radio? Yet managed to change the course several times at distinct waypoints? Hmmm