'Contact lost' with Malaysia Airlines plane

It does make sense - also, he posts a further comment at the bottom explaining the new data regarding flight routes;

From hades post:

Fire starts in transponder wiring. It goes off. Pilots unaware.
Fire noticed shortly after the handover call.
Pilots pull fuses.
Head towards nearest airport hence left turn.
Climb to 45k to try to starve the fire of oxygen.
Fire overcomes pilots or air starvation puts everyone to sleep.
Plane descends irratically not in control and then flies on for several hours.
Plane eventually crashes into the sea several hours later.


I agree - The quick climb up and also the dive is typical of trying to put out a fire - it does seem very likely that this scenario is the correct one, rather than a hijacking type scenario.

The problem now exists of, where along this line is the plane and why has it taken 10 days to get to this point - if anyone had survived the crash (all be it unlikely), they certainly wouldn't have survived 10 days with little to no rations and potential injuries.
 
Energize said:
Just sealing the unit at the time of manufacture with argon instead of air inside it. Argon is quite a common gas used to prevent fires, any server building for example will use argon gas for fire suppression..
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So you have 50+ boxes on the rack many of which you have to get inside for maintenance after manufacture. Air flows around all those boxes to keep them cool. If they were all completely sealed to air cooling it all would become even more of a nightmare, let alone maintaining the argon level. This isn't an nice server room maintained to a nice constant 17 degrees. Most equipment bay fires don't come from the internals of a box but external wiring. Argon aint gonna do **** when all that insulation and dust catches fire.
 
Begs the question 'what route was in the autopilot before they were overcome ?'. Would the pilot have set the airport and a basic route to it, or would he set the next waypoint and hope to reenter an onward route thereafter ? Or was the autopilot/sensors a little singed and operating outside its/their normal conditions ?
 
hilly said:
It does make sense - also, he posts a further comment at the bottom explaining the new data regarding flight routes;

From hades post:

Fire starts in transponder wiring. It goes off. Pilots unaware.
Fire noticed shortly after the handover call.
Pilots pull fuses.
Head towards nearest airport hence left turn.
Climb to 45k to try to starve the fire of oxygen.
Fire overcomes pilots or air starvation puts everyone to sleep.
Plane descends irratically not in control and then flies on for several hours.
Plane eventually crashes into the sea several hours later.
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What about the period where it flew at 5000 ft? And during all this time no-one in the plane made a phone call. I still don't buy it.
 
Also, has it been confirmed that passengers phones were still ringing 24hours+ after disappearance?

If so, plane crashing into sea wouldn't really make sense?
 
Lysander said:
What about the period where it flew at 5000 ft? And during all this time no-one in the plane made a phone call. I still don't buy it.
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Not been confirmed though has it? Just a few reports coming out in the media.

We know there was a climb to above the operating levels, we also know there was a rapid decent. Both of this aren't something hijackers do surely? Why would they rise up then drop below the normal flying limit? Why wouldn't they head down beyond the radar range asap? Doesn't add up to me.
 
hilly said:
I agree - The quick climb up and also the dive is typical of trying to put out a fire - it does seem very likely that this scenario is the correct one, rather than a hijacking type scenario.
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It's a 777 not a Spitfire with a piston engine fire in WW2. It would be beyond retarded to try to make 45,000 feet with an equipment bay fire. Not to mention losing a single transponder box would not stop you from making a radio call and if you are going to climb to 45000 in a 777 to try to put out a fire you are going to have time to make a call.
 
balky12 said:
Also, has it been confirmed that passengers phones were still ringing 24hours+ after disappearance?

If so, plane crashing into sea wouldn't really make sense?
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They looked into that and found that with so many carriers and roaming networks the phones would ring at the caller's end even if off.
 
Just thinking here and i know nothing about the subject but with the plane climbing like it did then descending, wouldn't this create the Zero G effect?
 
Still doesn't answer the question as to the deviation of route, twice, maybe three times along certified way points. Autopilot wouldn't course change on it's own
 
Lysander said:
They looked into that and found that with so many carriers and roaming networks the phones would ring at the caller's end even if off.
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Makes sense.

One thing that always confused me was how a plane of this size could slip past any kind of radar. Now turns out an unidentified plane (most likely this flight) was detected in Malaysian airspace... but they did nothing.

Now has this happened in other countries? With how tense things are around there, i doubt it.

Boeing flying at sub 5,000ft to avoid radar? Someone would have spotted something most likely.

Flying in the shadow of another plane? I have very limited knowledge on this, it doesn’t sound impossible, but radar surely can detect the number of objects in the sky, unless flying ridiculously close. SO close that the plane it's shadowing would have been aware of it.

Doesn't really narrow anything down though. Ditched into the sea (intentional or not) or hijacked and made it through various airspaces because of the incompetence of others.
 
hilly said:
It does make sense - also, he posts a further comment at the bottom explaining the new data regarding flight routes;

From hades post:

Fire starts in transponder wiring. It goes off. Pilots unaware.
Fire noticed shortly after the handover call.
Pilots pull fuses.
Head towards nearest airport hence left turn.
Climb to 45k to try to starve the fire of oxygen.
Fire overcomes pilots or air starvation puts everyone to sleep.
Plane descends irratically not in control and then flies on for several hours.
Plane eventually crashes into the sea several hours later.


I agree - The quick climb up and also the dive is typical of trying to put out a fire - it does seem very likely that this scenario is the correct one, rather than a hijacking type scenario.

The problem now exists of, where along this line is the plane and why has it taken 10 days to get to this point - if anyone had survived the crash (all be it unlikely), they certainly wouldn't have survived 10 days with little to no rations and potential injuries.
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And how does flying due west allow the plane to intersect the arcs? He didn't explain that and neither have you.
 
You do all no that the blue stuff on the maps is the Ocean - you know that thing where there are no people to notice a low flying plane and coincidently no mobile masts either to provide mobile phone coverage in the middle of the ocean for the odd passing ship
 
They think the plane is being stored some where and will possibly be used for a 9/11 style attack in the future.

If it hit the ocean i think it would have definitely been found by now as there would have some sort of debris found by now with a crash like that.
 
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