Poor Marius

robfosters said:
I appreciate this point, but surely there should be a period for a child to not be subjected to the harsh reality of life.

A few years of innocence is surely not too much to ask.

I wonder how many of those youngsters have got those dreadful scenes now ingrained into their young minds. I don't think it's fair to do that to a child.
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I was surprised to see children from three years old there, maybe Danish culture is different? Certainly the CNN coverage is almost hysterical given that Americans are more used to Disney and their appallingly crass anthropomorphic "nature" documentaries.

Children first have to 'learn' that a carcass is icky and they only get that instruction from their parents. If Danish parents don't push that negative reaction onto their children then they won't react.

They will have seen raw meat before, this is probably just a bigger carcass.

As for the lions eating the giraffe, they show lions eating meat in UK zoos
 
bitslice said:
Children first have to 'learn' that a carcass is icky and they only get that instruction from their parents. If Danish parents don't push that negative reaction onto their children then they won't react.
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Are you sure? So you are saying in essence that young children have no capacity for independant emotions?
 
My wife works in a zoo, although this is terribly sad, it's the zoo's fault for letting them in-breed too much in the first place.

They should move animals to other zoo's before this happens. Poor management.


Regarding the panda argument.. They're a huge drain on Edinburgh zoo. They spend a ton of their budget on the panda, meaning other sections of the zoo have the bare minimum spent on them. Importing bamboo isn't cheap either. For an animal that spends 90% of it's time asleep and they never breed successfully. It's a miracle the species is still going.
 
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jmc007 said:
Are you sure? So you are saying in essence that young children have no capacity for independant emotions?
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I am not entirely sure that is what he is saying, but it is certainly true that squeamishness can very much be a learned response, for example kids that grow up on farms tend to be much less bothered by animal slaughter than those that grow up in towns.
 
Keeping an animal alive, as large as a giraffe, that cannot be used to maintain a healthy breeding population would have been an incredible waste of resources, which could be used elsewhere.
Unless you do not eat any form of captive raised meat, you would have to be a hypocrite to say that putting down and using an otherwise useless giraffe was unfair.
 
RDM said:
I am not entirely sure that is what he is saying, but it is certainly true that squeamishness can very much be a learned response, for example kids that grow up on farms tend to be much less bothered by animal slaughter than those that grow up in towns.
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Aye, I agree. I was reminded of a Vice production I saw the other night "Warlords of Tripoli" in it they showed a common scene where a cow was killed, butchered and distributed all out on the street with plenty of children around. I was mindful of that while I posted.
I have also heard some say that shivering is a learnt response to cold, from the parents, though I am not so sure. My Dad says my youngest sister does not shiver because he made a point of never giving her a chance to learn it from him. I think that was where I was coming from, does that make sense?
i.e. What are learnt reflexes and which are natural gut reactions to scenes/situations.
 
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Yas786 said:
Fact is bitslice trying to engage into a debate with you is near impossible as you conveniently ignore the post or better still ignore the proof in front of you when someone challenges you. Rather you go off on a tangent and completely ignore the person you are debating with.

Now explain to me why would i want to debate with a person such as yourself??
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Ironically, this is pretty much exactly what you have done in this thread.

bitslice produced a good argument, no real counter-argument was made, so troll poking commenced.
 
jmc007 said:
Are you sure? So you are saying in essence that young children have no capacity for independant emotions?
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Not that, and I'm no expert on children but I've noticed that if a child falls over they will look to the parent, if the parent looks alarmed the child will start crying, if the parent is calm the child will remain so too.
It's as if the child doesn't know how to respond and looks around to see how everyone else is reacting?
Food seems to be the other one, if you make a big deal about peas being a must-have then the child may choose to not like them.
Even as adults, when something happens we instinctively turn to our friends to see how they have reacted.

We do this based on gender too, we subliminally encourage girls to be more delicate and we expect boys to get on and deal with it.

I'm pretty sure our reaction to red is instinctive, as the colour is inherently associated with sex and blood.
The same way brightly coloured tree frogs never get eaten.
 
It is a bit of a shame that the Giraffe had to be put down but they are not endangered and not likely to become extinct in the foreseeable fortune. All over the world loads of stray cats and dogs are put down because they can't find a home, yet not many people kick up a fuss over that.
 
MikeTheNative said:
It is a bit of a shame that the Giraffe had to be put down but they are not endangered and not likely to become extinct in the foreseeable fortune. All over the world loads of stray cats and dogs are put down because they can't find a home, yet not many people kick up a fuss over that.
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+1
 
MikeTheNative said:
It is a bit of a shame that the Giraffe had to be put down but they are not endangered and not likely to become extinct in the foreseeable fortune. All over the world loads of stray cats and dogs are put down because they can't find a home, yet not many people kick up a fuss over that.
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True, although the public dissection and feeding to lions bit may have added to the sensationalising of this particular tale.
 
bitslice said:
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Blatant ******* mod immunity and I'm ***ed of with the amount of abuse you repeatedly get away with all the time.
Moderation in here is an utter joke :rolleyes:
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Now a mod with a sense of humour would give you a holiday for that :D

Zoo's are a business. They are run in order to make money while hopefully helping to save some of our endangered animals.

Would have been nice to have seen the giraffe live but the story seems to have grown out of all proportion.
 
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Yeah its the rare species not the common one. Why would anyone kill it ?

Oh unless NO ONE understands the facts but just got upset because giraffe...
 
The original one in the thread was too inbred, they couldn't use it for breeding. It's the zoo's fault for letting it happen in the first place.
 
The same Danish zoo has killed a family of lions (parents and two cubs) to make way for a new male lion, who is to be introduced to some young females approaching breeding age.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26734377

If the parents really were approaching the end of their lives, why not live them die naturally? The extra time gives the cubs more time to grow and possibly be found a new zoo, plus what is wrong with the maturing females having more time before being introduced to the male?

Again, just like Marius and the other Marius that might be euthanised, these just seem so wrong. :(
 
UTmaniac said:
The same Danish zoo has killed a family of lions (parents and two cubs) to make way for a new male lion, who is to be introduced to some young females approaching breeding age.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26734377

If the parents really were approaching the end of their lives, why not live them die naturally? The extra time gives the cubs more time to grow and possibly be found a new zoo, plus what is wrong with the maturing females having more time before being introduced to the male?

Again, just like Marius and the other Marius that might be euthanised, these just seem so wrong. :(
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The new lion would attack and kill the cubs and banish the parents - where they would die of hunger.

No other zoo accepted to take any of them on. So what are they supposed to do? they need to breed the females and that can happen only with a new lion.
 
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Not accept the new male lion and let four other lions live?
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and how are the female lions supposed to breed? so the solution is for the whole pride to die out.

In nature, when a new lion contests the leader of an existing pride, and wins, it banishes them and kills all the cubs. Nothing different than what has happened in the zoo.
 
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