Is it fair that I was excluded from college?
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Look, it's college. You go there to learn. Just shut up and listen to your tutors/lecturers. It's really not that difficult.
..That's if you get back in.
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OP, I'm just replying to your thread title in one word after reading this thread.
yes.
now for a bit more. it looks like you will never learn, you have done stuff a number of times that has got you into big trouble, and even had to sign a contract saying you will not mess around with college computers in stupid ways to keep you place in collage, but then you did it again. your an idiot for doing something again when 'not doing anything stupid with collage computers' was the only way to stay on the course.
im not going to help you try and worm your way out of this, as your just going to do it again at some point an going from what you have said earlier in the thread, you actually cant see what you have done wrong that warrants the actions on the college suspending you pending a hearing. you have said you really want this course but you simply cannot get a job in anything other that what you want to do after you get your qualification so mcdonalds or warehouse work is beneath you. you just need to grow up imo and not be a little wingey immature child trying to pass blame.
the fact that others put a Bsod on your tutors computer does not mean that you can on even should do it. its a stupid thing to do.
you go to collage to learn, not to mess around pulling pranks.
sorry for being hard, but i think a stiff realisation will come soon when you do get kicked out, that you need to buck up your ideas and actually get used to the idea that a job is a job, some are not as good as others but they all give you experience and more importantly, money, and thats the main (sometimes only) reason some people do jobs they do not like as money if the main driving force on the planet, and it should be for you for doing your college work without ****ing about!
yes.
now for a bit more. it looks like you will never learn, you have done stuff a number of times that has got you into big trouble, and even had to sign a contract saying you will not mess around with college computers in stupid ways to keep you place in collage, but then you did it again. your an idiot for doing something again when 'not doing anything stupid with collage computers' was the only way to stay on the course.
im not going to help you try and worm your way out of this, as your just going to do it again at some point an going from what you have said earlier in the thread, you actually cant see what you have done wrong that warrants the actions on the college suspending you pending a hearing. you have said you really want this course but you simply cannot get a job in anything other that what you want to do after you get your qualification so mcdonalds or warehouse work is beneath you. you just need to grow up imo and not be a little wingey immature child trying to pass blame.
the fact that others put a Bsod on your tutors computer does not mean that you can on even should do it. its a stupid thing to do.
you go to collage to learn, not to mess around pulling pranks.
sorry for being hard, but i think a stiff realisation will come soon when you do get kicked out, that you need to buck up your ideas and actually get used to the idea that a job is a job, some are not as good as others but they all give you experience and more importantly, money, and thats the main (sometimes only) reason some people do jobs they do not like as money if the main driving force on the planet, and it should be for you for doing your college work without ****ing about!
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So you mess around instead of studying? Get caught, sign a contract saying you won't do it again and then proceed to do it again?
If, as you say, you don't want to stack shelves for a living then you are displaying a real bad attitude.
Apologise to the college like you actually bloody mean it. If they let you back (and I wouldn't if I was them, you had your chance) then knuckle down and study hard.
You should have grown up by now.
If, as you say, you don't want to stack shelves for a living then you are displaying a real bad attitude.
Apologise to the college like you actually bloody mean it. If they let you back (and I wouldn't if I was them, you had your chance) then knuckle down and study hard.
You should have grown up by now.
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The bit I just don't understand is that you come on here after you shot yourself in the foot after signing up to a Good Behaviour Contract - why did you not see that was technically your final warning.
If you were serious about your future then you should have knuckled down by now.
My only word of advice that you apologise and say you misjudged how your behaviour would be interpreted. DO NOT try to justify your actions, you are no cleverer than anyone else in the college or the committee they are convening to review your behaviour.
If you were serious about your future then you should have knuckled down by now.
My only word of advice that you apologise and say you misjudged how your behaviour would be interpreted. DO NOT try to justify your actions, you are no cleverer than anyone else in the college or the committee they are convening to review your behaviour.
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This is key, however I don't think from what they've said in this thread that they have the maturity to apologise and knuckle down.
As someone who teaches IT in a FE College and someone who has worked IT Support in a college I can say that the college is well in the right to suspend you and look to a permanent exclusion.
As others have said there rules you broke them, you probably agree to the Computer Acceptable Use Policy every time you login to a college PC (ours do here).
You have had warnings and signed a contract and broken your side of the deal. They have given you a second chance and you blew it, I am sure they are aware of your past educational history and behavior record and wont have taken the decision lightly, but you have forced their hand.
I deal with students everyday who have a terrible attitude to learning and think they don't have to work and conform to standard behavior in order to succeed in life.
You only option is not to try to prove them wrong and that your know more about IT than them, its to accept you have done wrong be humble and manage your behavior better in future, If I was on the panel it would have to be one stunning apology to get you back on my course.
Before anyone wades in and mentions IT staff not being current I currently hold CompTIA A+, N+ and Security+ as well as MSCA:Windows 7 and CCNA all passed/updated with in the last 2 years. I have to admit tho I am a rare breed in FE.
As others have said there rules you broke them, you probably agree to the Computer Acceptable Use Policy every time you login to a college PC (ours do here).
You have had warnings and signed a contract and broken your side of the deal. They have given you a second chance and you blew it, I am sure they are aware of your past educational history and behavior record and wont have taken the decision lightly, but you have forced their hand.
I deal with students everyday who have a terrible attitude to learning and think they don't have to work and conform to standard behavior in order to succeed in life.
You only option is not to try to prove them wrong and that your know more about IT than them, its to accept you have done wrong be humble and manage your behavior better in future, If I was on the panel it would have to be one stunning apology to get you back on my course.
Before anyone wades in and mentions IT staff not being current I currently hold CompTIA A+, N+ and Security+ as well as MSCA:Windows 7 and CCNA all passed/updated with in the last 2 years. I have to admit tho I am a rare breed in FE.
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So let me get this right ... you created an executable in VB which displayed an image full screen and sent it to the teacher who ran it so the image opened? Whilst the other people "who did the same thing" just displayed an image full screen without any executable?
Well yes then it would be possible to consider that you put the network at risk given that you sent unauthorised and unsanctioned code to a node on it and tricked someone into running it. "Endangering the network" may sound like a strong term for what you actually did but it is a standard phrase used and would be applicable here.
From elsewhere in the thread we learn that you have performed a network penetration test, which may have been sanctioned (note to the wise ... always get permission for those in writing before you do them), and got disciplined for it and you were caught bypassing the firewall so you could access Youtube (for your course ... if it was really a requirement for the course then there should be a way of getting access officially, and was it really a firewall which needed to be passed or actually a filtering proxy?. Hell you say you study better away from others so why not watch whatever it was at home).
You indicate that you don't want a dead end job and want to go into IT ... but you do realise that any company you work for is going to have similar, if not harsher, rules on how you can use their equipment? It's their equipment and their network ... they get to decide what the rules are in general.
Hell I needed to go on a webinar this afternoon which I couldn't access due to the work's proxy ... so did I try and by-pass it ... no, I worked from home and watched the webinar there.
Your attitude in the thread seems to be that whilst you can see that other people might not like what you have done they shouldn't punish you as you are more IT literate than them. If you still have a good relationship with the Network Manager you could try appealing to her to get someone to audit your code and show it is harmless, but that is really beside the point at this stage. The fact that you signed a good behavior contact previously and have now breached it doesn't make things look good for you at all.
Your best position at this stage is probably looking at what you can do next after you are thrown out of your current establishment (btw I'd loose the area code from the quoted letter as there can't be that many colleges in that area). That could well be getting a "dead end job" until the new academic year starts assuming you can find another college which will take you on with your record ....
Well yes then it would be possible to consider that you put the network at risk given that you sent unauthorised and unsanctioned code to a node on it and tricked someone into running it. "Endangering the network" may sound like a strong term for what you actually did but it is a standard phrase used and would be applicable here.
From elsewhere in the thread we learn that you have performed a network penetration test, which may have been sanctioned (note to the wise ... always get permission for those in writing before you do them), and got disciplined for it and you were caught bypassing the firewall so you could access Youtube (for your course ... if it was really a requirement for the course then there should be a way of getting access officially, and was it really a firewall which needed to be passed or actually a filtering proxy?. Hell you say you study better away from others so why not watch whatever it was at home).
You indicate that you don't want a dead end job and want to go into IT ... but you do realise that any company you work for is going to have similar, if not harsher, rules on how you can use their equipment? It's their equipment and their network ... they get to decide what the rules are in general.
Hell I needed to go on a webinar this afternoon which I couldn't access due to the work's proxy ... so did I try and by-pass it ... no, I worked from home and watched the webinar there.
Your attitude in the thread seems to be that whilst you can see that other people might not like what you have done they shouldn't punish you as you are more IT literate than them. If you still have a good relationship with the Network Manager you could try appealing to her to get someone to audit your code and show it is harmless, but that is really beside the point at this stage. The fact that you signed a good behavior contact previously and have now breached it doesn't make things look good for you at all.
Your best position at this stage is probably looking at what you can do next after you are thrown out of your current establishment (btw I'd loose the area code from the quoted letter as there can't be that many colleges in that area). That could well be getting a "dead end job" until the new academic year starts assuming you can find another college which will take you on with your record ....
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