The voice is a lot sillier this season
Not just me then, I thought he sounded plain odd on the boat.
Because it would make no sense for non-book readers.
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Not just me then, I thought he sounded plain odd on the boat.
Because it would make no sense for non-book readers.
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The new Daario still sucks compared to the previous one.
Littlefinger in general is very poor in this. I read an interview with Martin, where he says that the thing about Littlefinger in the books is that everyone trusts him. The problem is that, in the show, nobody trusts him because he is so awkwardly slimy. he is practically a pantomime villain.
Gillen was ok in season one.
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No one is deserved of rape, except Cersei 
She is a horrible creature who orchestrated the assassination of several people. She deserves everything she gets, along with her git son.
I'm going to vote that the Dorn guy did it, and now he is a judge for Tyrions trial, so that would be interesting if it was him!
She is a horrible creature who orchestrated the assassination of several people. She deserves everything she gets, along with her git son.I'm going to vote that the Dorn guy did it, and now he is a judge for Tyrions trial, so that would be interesting if it was him!
I agree. He is almost a pantomime villian now, are we supposed to boo every time he appears?
Is it a case of bad writing or dodgy acting?
I thought the baelish in the books is kinda obsequious to people's faces yet behind the scenes he's playing them against each other.
No one is deserved of rape, except Cersei
I'm going to vote that the Dorn guy did it, and now he is a judge for Tyrions trial, so that would be interesting if it was him!
DOrn guy has no reason to kill Joffrey though, he said himself he simply wants revenge either on Tywin or on the mountain. He's only going on the judicial panel because in return Tywin will give him the mountain.
I don't agree that everyone trusts him, I think people know he has his own agenda but it's the fact that if you make a deal with him he will stay true to that deal. Tyrion has always been well aware of the scheming of Littlefinger and Varys and as such used them as tools while he was the hand.
I don't think he has bigger plans. You honestly think he waited this long on a chance of being invited to Joffrey's wedding to kill Joffrey? Killing Joffrey in no way hurts Tywin or the mountain. Tywin still has a grandson heir and he is still hand of the king. Not to mention the DOrn guy would have to somehow be in cahoots with the old tyrell woman and Littlefinger which seems far too complex a plot to be consider plausible (I even consider tyrell woman and littlefinger a bit dubious). The only way Dorn guy wins is if he gets to kill Tywin/The Mountain and get away with it. Most people in Westeros are eye-for-an-eye type people, they don't tend to take revenge by killing innocents (at least not the ones that claim to have any dignity). Do you believe Tywin when he said he didn't order the death of the the Dorn guy's family?
Now you come to mention it, I do believe Tywin didn't ordered their death yeah! I'm still going to go with the vote that he killed Joffrey, I think Baelish may have orchestrated the whole thing, but I think Dorn guy carried it out for him, as he is a master of poison and all that. Killing JOffrey does hurt Tywin. Tywin is bent on family name preservation. Even if Tywin hated Joffrey, he was still his grandchild, and maybe Tommen is next in his sights?
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Joffrey as king hurts the Tywin family, everyone hated him, he was prone to outbursts and had already shown that he would in the future likely do stupid things to endanger their rule. I can absolutely see Tywin killing him to get a sensible and fair king on the throne who would also accept sensible advice and be basically more pliable.
There is also the matter that if anyone else outted Joffrey's real dad then his claim on the throne disappeared. In terms of family name preservation Joffrey was a bad apple that could only hurt it and cause disaster, causing a war because he punished a visiting lord because he's a petulant little ****.
That doesn't mean Tywin would care necessarily or just think he would mature as he got older and be more pliable.
My initial thoughts were Tywin or the new queen's grandma(I presume that's who the older woman is) because she would be a somewhat safe figurehead queen and not have to deal with Joffrey.
It could really have been anyone because Joffrey was pretty much universally hated.
There is also the matter that if anyone else outted Joffrey's real dad then his claim on the throne disappeared. In terms of family name preservation Joffrey was a bad apple that could only hurt it and cause disaster, causing a war because he punished a visiting lord because he's a petulant little ****.
That doesn't mean Tywin would care necessarily or just think he would mature as he got older and be more pliable.
My initial thoughts were Tywin or the new queen's grandma(I presume that's who the older woman is) because she would be a somewhat safe figurehead queen and not have to deal with Joffrey.
It could really have been anyone because Joffrey was pretty much universally hated.
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My money's on Tywin or the Queen of Thorns. Both have good motives.
Oberyn would be far too obvious for GoT.
Regarding Baelish, he has always worked for the Lannisters in one capacity or another but he could also be twisting it a little to further his own aims.
Oberyn would be far too obvious for GoT.
Regarding Baelish, he has always worked for the Lannisters in one capacity or another but he could also be twisting it a little to further his own aims.
Brilliant, I like the walking dead one too.
He works for money, it just so happens that the throne is funded by Lannister gold.
From what I know the book Tywin is more like that but in the tv show they've made him a little more principled, also theoretically for Tywin its a bit of a clumsy way to go about it given his capabilities but that might be something the writing overlooks.
I can't really see Tywin having much interest in protecting Sansa either though don't really know enough about the background of it to know for sure (she is potentially powerful in regards to name, etc.) whereas both Olenna Tyrell and Baelish have their own reasons for protecting her and both have the capabilities and motives to pull off killing Joffrey.
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Can't wait until tonights episode. Literally watched the first 3 seasons and up to the latest in Season 4 in the space of two and half weeks. The ending to season 3 left me generally gutted and contemplated not watching any more. Then I grew a pair.
The Wedding left me gutted too, if that's what you're getting at?
Can't believe how many plot lines/characters that one act affected!