Poll: which party are you going to vote in up coming elections?

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Since 1995, non-EU immigrants have made a negative impact, primarily because they have larger families. They also account for 2/3 of immigration in this period.

So by looking at that EEA (and therefore EU) migrants contribute much more to the treasury than people born here? That rather undermines UKIPs argument.
 
And native UK people had the same negative impact, erm, send them back?

Well as I mentioned earlier, the native contribution seems to correlate with the up-tick in immigration. This may of course be coincidental, but it may also reflect the fact immigrants are taking jobs. But it's a moot point anyway, since we can't say send British people "back", this is our homeland.

But we can send non-EU immigrants back, and absolutely should do so if they are not making a positive contribution.

So by looking at that EEA (and therefore EU) migrants contribute much more to the treasury than people born here? That rather undermines UKIPs argument.

Well, I am not sure what their precise argument is. But we're not discussing UKIP's position; we're discussing whether there are rational reasons to be (in your view) racist. Against non-EU immigrants, there is absolutely a rational reason.
 
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Well as I mentioned earlier, the native contribution seems to declined in correlation with the up-tick in immigration. This may of course be coincidental, but it may also reflect the fact immigrants are taking jobs. But it's a moot point anyway, since we can't say send British people "back", this is our homeland.

But we can send non-EU immigrants back, and absolutely should do so if they are not making a positive contribution.



Well, I am not sure what their precise argument is. But we're not discussing UKIP's position; we're discussing whether there are rational reasons to be (in your view) racist. Against non-EU immigrants, there is absolutely a rational reason.
Most UKIP voters are not making a positive contribution either (according to the statistics).

I want to send them back. :p
 
Well as I mentioned earlier, the native contribution seems to declined in correlation with the up-tick in immigration. This may of course be coincidental, but it may also reflect the fact immigrants are taking jobs. But it's a moot point anyway, since we can't say send British people "back", this is our homeland.

But we can send non-EU immigrants back, and absolutely should do so if they are not making a positive contribution.

The old correlation equals causation angle!

If the immigrants are taking all the jobs, then they would be contributing towards to economy by way of income tax, VAT on purchases, etc.

Basically, all that chart shows is that UK Natives are as much a drain on the economy as non-EU immigrants.
 
It's not about 'foreigners' or the colour of a person's skin.
I do however take strong offense to religious extremism and terrorism.

I consider the invasion of Iraq and the usurpment of Saddam Hussein and illegal war and murder.

My condolences to the brave UK armed forces who fought in that war, no word of a lie I had a tear in my eye when the Mercian regiment returned to Stalybridge.

The problem is this, we are a small island with limited resources.
I live in East Manchester most of the factories and large employers in this area have gone, there isn't much in the way of employment.
Vagrants and beggars roam the streets where I used to go shopping with my mum, carrying her bags as a child.

We have a welfare state and a national health service. These services are massively stretched before opening the doors to immigration.

There is a massive shortage of AFFORDABLE housing, wages in this area are on the average much lower than those in the south.
The roads are so congested, the M60 is almost like a car park now in rush hour and I struggle to park outside my own home.

We need investment in schools and education, encouragement for UK businesses and manufacturers, apprenticeship schemes for school leavers. Investment in the once magnificent NHS.

We need to stay OUT of foreign wars and conflicts - we have enough of our own problems to contend with.
We need a massive restriction on immigration, the countries resources are already stretched to the limit.

Finally we need to resolve the massive disparity in wealth between the rich and the poor.

Why do you mugs watch football and pay for pop songs watch the latest Hollywood ****? It makes me physically sick to hear of the wages these prima donnas earn. It's totally immoral.
 
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The old correlation equals causation angle!

If the immigrants are taking all the jobs, then they would be contributing towards to economy by way of income tax, VAT on purchases, etc.

Basically, all that chart shows is that UK Natives are as much a drain on the economy as non-EU immigrants.

I didn't say it did correlate, I observed that it might. But yes, it's undeniable that native Britons are not pulling their weight, I think most people know that. How does bringing in more non-EU immigrants help that though? It just compounds the problem further.

So send back all the commonwealth people that are here? Thats the solution ? lol

Any that are not paying their way, yes. The same should be applied to EU immigrants, but that is not feasible currently.
 
Well, I am not sure what their precise argument is. But we're not discussing UKIP's position; we're discussing whether there are rational reasons to be (in your view) racist. Against non-EU immigrants, there is absolutely a rational reason.

Despite the fact that at the end of 2011 non uk natives were more productive economically then uk natives? How does that show it's rational?
 
So by looking at that EEA (and therefore EU) migrants contribute much more to the treasury than people born here? That rather undermines UKIPs argument.

Even then the data is pretty crude. The key failings I see are (a) a failure to consider money brought into the country which is particularly relevant to non-EEA students and (b) consider the cost of skills training which is particularly relevant given the large number of non-EEA trained doctors and nurses entering the country. So the marginal benefits of immigration are likely to substantially higher than that graph estimates.
 
It's not about 'foreigners' or the colour of a person's skin.
I do however take strong offense to religious extremism and terrorism.

I consider the invasion of Iraq and the usurpment of Saddam Hussein and illegal war and murder.

My condolences to the brave UK armed forces who fought in that war, no word of a lie I had a tear in my eye when the Mercian regiment returned to Stalybridge.

The problem is this, we are a small island with limited resources.
I live in East Manchester most of the factories and large employers in this area have gone, there isn't much in the way of employment.
Vagrants and beggars roam the streets where I used to go shopping with my mum, carrying her bags as a child.

We have a welfare state and a national health service. These services are massively stretched before opening the doors to immigration.

There is a massive shortage of AFFORDABLE housing, wages in this area are on the average much lower than those in the south.
The roads are so congested, the M60 is almost like a car park now in rush hour and I struggle to park outside my own home.

We need investment in schools and education, encouragement for UK businesses and manufacturers, apprenticeship schemes for school leavers. Investment in the once magnificent NHS.

We need to stay OUT of foreign wars and conflicts - we have enough of our own problems to contend with.
We need a massive restriction on immigration, the countries resources are already stretched to the limit.

Finally we need to resolve the massive disparity in wealth between the rich and the poor.

Why do you mugs watch football and pay for pop songs watch the latest Hollywood ****? It makes me physically sick to hear of the wages these prima donnas earn. It's totally immoral.

But that's racist...... :rolleyes:




not being serious, just taking the peep out of anti-ukip (aka labour supporters) calling every one who doesn't support labour racist.
 
Despite the fact that at the end of 2011 non uk natives were more productive economically then uk natives? How does that show it's rational?

Productive is not the correct word. Remember, this is tax contributions versus benefits claimed. Since 1995, non-EU immigrants have overall taken more than they have contributed. This may also be true of 'natives' but as I've already mentioned, this is our country.

Also, it's worth keeping in mind the UK Natives figure does not mean White British. Unemployment is much higher amongst non-whites and many of those will be included in that native figure.
 
Productive is not the correct word. Remember, this is tax contributions versus benefits claimed. Since 1995, non-EU immigrants have overall taken more than they have contributed. This may also be true of 'natives' but as I've already mentioned, this is our country.

But are they now? If not then why change the system if it's no longer a problem?

Also, it's worth keeping in mind the UK Natives figure does not mean White British. Unemployment is much higher amongst non-whites and many of those will be included in that native figure.

I don't see why that's a useful distinction to make.
 
I see how you're trying to polarise UKIP vs Labour but it's simply not accurate. Things are rarely that simple to model.

All the people protesting and attacking the ukip were labour supporters. Even the guy that egged him was a labour supporter. Most of the negative news articles have come from pro labour biased news organisations, the bbc, the sun and so on.

The bbc recently ignored negative articles about milliband which were popular on other news papers but instead decided to run with another ukip is racist article as the main politics article. I found a brief mention of the negative milliband article on a some what hidden page under england section.
 
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