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Pentium K gaming review from Bit-Tech

Rofflay said:
You do not need frametimes it will not stutter as long as it hits the minimum 60fps. I have never heard of a cpu that has stutter. I would imagine it would be called defective for gaming and i have owned budget chips before and played games on them from the 2500M to E6300.


Putting it in a benchmark with a 290x or something is just wrong lol. The same can be said of running it in a game that clearly uses above 2-3 cores like Battleturd series. Although for the money i mentioned for possible 4.8 2400mhz DDR3 and a 270X OC at £600 what could compete? You could probably buy a lone 4790k 2400mhz Z97 rig and use the IGP 5000/6000 or whatever they use now but from what i can find they do quite bad at Skrym,wow,Bioshock compared to the £113 270X OC.
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I have owned plenty of CPUs/played on systems with everything from an E4300,recent Core i3s,APUs, FX6300s and Core i5, Stuttering has to do with frametimes,which is not something you can ignore. Thief does show stuttering on dual core CPUs,ie,there are large noticeable spikes in frametimes when running the game.

Also,having high framerates does not mean smooth gameplay - we saw that issue with Crossfire around 2 years ago in a number of games. We even saw it with some games like Skyrim in single card setups.

Look at the TH review again - the Core i3 beats an overclocked G3258 in most games. If games are that lightly threaded,HT should have no effect at all.

The problem is that the Core i3 used to be a £100 CPU,now it can be had for closer to £70 to £75,and even Core i5 CPUs are breaking the £130 barrier!!

Why do you think no Core i3 K was released??

You can easily do a Core i3 and R9 270 based build for £600 since I have done such builds before. It will be far more balanced than that Pentium dual core,especially considering the way games are going. The Pentium dual core has its uses,especially for games like WoT,just like an overclocked E8400 or E5300 did too. Yet,the Q6600 at nearly £100 outlived both of them.

Plus you are not guaranteed upper end overclocks. One batch might do 4.8GHZ on average and another 4.4GHZ,another 5GHZ,etc. The maximum overclocks argument has never worked for any CPU whether it is Intel or AMD. The same goes with GPUs too. I had a rubbish Q6600,a fantastic E4300,great HD5850 and a crap GTX660. Same with some mates - one had a great Core i5 3570K,rubbish HD5850,great HD7870,crap HD7850, a rubbish Core i5 2500K, another had a great FX6300(could hit 4.5GHZ easily) and another a crap FX6300(needed much voltage to even hit 4.4GHZ) and so on(lost count).

You always see people saying you will get XYZ massive overclock guaranteed and when some person gets a crap overclock,it usually ends up with people saying you need to spend XYZ more and so on.



Tonester0011 said:
What games would you say need to be tested Cat?
As i'll being doing just that, with a single 290. Overclocked the GPU to try and bottleneck the CPUs as much as i can :)

I've got a few games, just takes a while to download the larger ones :(
Backed a lot of them up, just need to find the drive they're sitting on :D
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What list of games do you have??

Do you play PS2 at all??

Would be interested to see how PS2 runs on it TBH. Might be quite good for it.
 
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Rofflay said:
Get the 270x OC (£115) and the cheap 500B EVGA psu's and there is £50 sticks of 8GB 2133mhz floating around too. You can build her one that will do Bioshock 1080p max pretty much if you luck out on the overclocks. But your going to come close with a 500w gold. Still you cannot argue for a £36 quid psu.


Add in windows 8 and your gold you really should not be crossing the £650 mark at all. I reckon £570 all in atm.
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Come close with a 500w psu?? lol
I'm running a 290 and a 4790k off one(500w passive), also ran my whole rig stock off the same PSU (CF 290s, 4790k)

Edit: @Cat, i've played but not much. Probs less than 2 hours :(
 
"Asus has announced that via a BIOS update, its cheaper H87, H97, B85 and H81 motherboards will be able to tap into multiplier control too, which could bring the price down even further.

We set our sights at 4.5GHz having seen early reports a few weeks ago of retails hitting this mark and we should also note that we had no issues setting our RAM to run at our usual 1,600MHz, despite the Pentium apparently supporting up to 1,333MHz"

seems pretty decent then
 
Tonester0011 said:
Come close with a 500w psu?? lol
I'm running a 290 and a 4790k off one(500w passive), also ran my whole rig stock off the same PSU (CF 290s, 4790k)
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Well my Xeon E3 and a GTX660 SFF rig is lucky to see 200W at the wall,and even when I had a 8800GTS 512MB and the HD5850 1GB(both overclocked) with my high VID Q6600 overclocked,the Shuttle SFF 450W was fine for years.

Valve powered a Core i7 4770 and a Geforce Titan off a 450W SFF PSU.

Tonester0011 said:
Edit: @Cat, i've played but not much. Probs less than 2 hours :(
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That does not matter,although I suppose the main issue is getting consistant playthroughs.

Before the updates at the end of last year,PS2 only really used two cores,but SOE started updating the engine to thread better due to the PS4 version being released this year. I noticed some decent improvements in performance with my Xeon E3.

Edit!!

It will be interesting to see whether the engine scales well with HT or not,or whether physical cores make a bigger difference.

I would also expect the AMD drivers to favour the G3258 though,as AMD ironically threads its drivers less than Nvidia. Kind of an own goal there!!:p

Who knows I might be proved wrong when the tests are done!! :p

Second Edit!!

What list of games do you have??

We can discuss via e-mail if you don't want to clog up the thread.
 
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wazza300 said:
"Asus has announced that via a BIOS update, its cheaper H87, H97, B85 and H81 motherboards will be able to tap into multiplier control too, which could bring the price down even further.

We set our sights at 4.5GHz having seen early reports a few weeks ago of retails hitting this mark and we should also note that we had no issues setting our RAM to run at our usual 1,600MHz, despite the Pentium apparently supporting up to 1,333MHz"

seems pretty decent then
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Old news:

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18603803
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18606183
 
Here have,some beer!

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CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Well my Xeon E3 and a GTX660 SFF rig is lucky to see 200W at the wall,and even when I had a 8800GTS 512MB and the HD5850 1GB(both overclocked) with my high VID Q6600 overclocked,the Shuttle SFF 450W was fine for years.

Valve powered a Core i7 4770 and a Geforce Titan off a 450W SFF PSU.
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I know, people overestimate power requirements. Nothing wrong with getting more than you need...just, you know ;)

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
That does not matter,although I suppose the main issue is getting consistant playthroughs.

Before the updates at the end of last year,PS2 only really used two cores,but SOE started updating the engine to thread better due to the PS4 version being released this year. I noticed some decent improvements in performance with my Xeon E3.

Edit!!

It will be interesting to see whether the engine scales well with HT or not,or whether physical cores make a bigger difference.

I would also expect the AMD drivers to favour the G3258 though,as AMD ironically threads its drivers less than Nvidia. Kind of an own goal there!!:p

Who knows I might be proved wrong when the tests are done!! :p

Second Edit!!

What list of games do you have??

We can discuss via e-mail if you don't want to clog up the thread.
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I've got a fair amount of games, just take a look at my Steam game list to get an idea. consistent playthroughs of any game that's not SP will be a tough ask, so will probably do 3 runs and base an average of those 3 for the final 'score'

You can fire me a trust if you want to talk more, as this thread is about the G3258 it's ontopic so matters not :D

List of CPUs i was going to test, might have to spread them out over 2 weekends though :(

i5 750 (4.2)
i5 2500k (4.5)
i3 4130
Pentium K
i7 4790k (4.6)
FX9590 (5.0 < hopefully)

All with a single 290@1100/1450.

The games i was thinking:

Tomb Raider (not CPU heavy)
Batman:AO (again ^)
BF4
Kerbal (CPU test ship)
AC4:BF
F1 2013
Watch Dogs
Thief


PS2 will be added now, just gotta download :D
 
I might think of one or two other games,with easy to bench bits(or aftermarket bench mods) if you have the time.

Who knows,maybe the G3258 will surprise me!! :)

PS:

I am only level 21 and have 150 to 200 games. I haz fail Steam account!! :(

Edit!!

That is an impressive list of CPUs!!
 
This is intresting it was in table and using mobile atm, results are in order of cpu

1080p Graphics Performance - Gigabyte GTX 750 Ti WindForce

3DMark (score) Fire Strike

3,616 Intel Pentium G3220 (4GB)
3,611 Intel Pentium G3220 (8GB)
3,624 Intel Pentium G3220 (16GB)
4,122 Intel Core i7-4770K (16GB)

BioShock Infinite (avg fps) Maximum Quality

47.9 Intel Pentium G3220 (4GB)
47.8 Intel Pentium G3220 (8GB)
47.9 Intel Pentium G3220 (16GB)
48.3 Intel Core i7-4770K (16GB)

GRID 2 (avg fps) 4xMSAA, Ultra Quality

51.2 Intel Pentium G3220 (4GB)
51.3 Intel Pentium G3220 (8GB)
51.2 Intel Pentium G3220 (16GB)
53.9 Intel Core i7-4770K (16GB)

Total War: Rome II (avg fps) Very High Quality

46.7 Intel Pentium G3220 (4GB)
47.0 Intel Pentium G3220 (8GB)
46.9 Intel Pentium G3220 (16GB)
52.8 Intel Core i7-4770K (16GB)
 
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It will get killed in some of those games i bet as most of them can use more than two cores. But they will all lose in single threaded wow,skyrm,totalwar games etc which is why the cost saving is great IF you know the limits of your games.


It is extremely niche and an i3 for some will be a better choice so will some of the AMD's or as Cat rightly mentioned a second hand Q6600. But like i said if someone wanted a brand new modern Skyrm/Wow box for £600 in Matx flavour it will kill the competition if overclocked.
 
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Just for your information that Pentium K is limited to 1333 MHz ram speed in comparsion with standard Pentium G3420 and G3450 which can run up to 1600.
 
Add some games to the list mate, i have no social life whatsoever. So it will give me something other than spending money to do on the weekend.

Skyrim, vanilla or modded?
Don't own WoW, but can get FF14 to fill the MMO gap? Got 6 months of timecards to use. Though wouldn't be representative as i've only played it <10 hours, so loads of people on screen would be limited to literally the towns.

Will do all the usual synthetic benches, 3D11, Heaven etc.
 
I don't think it will be,i even ran ram at 2133mhz on a Pentium g620 so I doubt it will be limited

@tonester don't you have any crysis games? or l.a noire/sleeping dogs?

id be interested to see it perform on multi threaded games
 
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