Do you believe in evolution ?

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tbyeah said:
Scientific research is subject to peer review and is heavily scrutinised, they cannot wait to find a flaw in someone else's work.

So unless there is some huge conspiracy that they have agreed to all lie, then they are doing it correctly.
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And in the plagues of the 14thC they would have said that prayer was the most effective cure for the plague because the church and educated men believed it to be so.

I agree though, we're much more critical of the information presented to us, and look for empirical evidence and data to back up what we believe but none the less it does take faith to an extent.
 
LOAM said:
The one thing I utterly hate about these threads, that spoil them for me to the point I generally avoid them is the lack of tolerance towards peoples religious beliefs, I class myself as fortean agnostic in that i'm happy sat on the fence looking in each garden but more often than not I find myself in a position of religious defence purely because of the rabid militancy of some who think others need to be educated. You are the very people you claim to despise, you preach and you do so offensively and loudly!!
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Oh for god sake, religious people can defend themselves they don't need you holding their hand you wally.

Get off the fence and make a decision, you probably secretly believe in god, just incase right?
 
Johno please? said:
Oh for god sake, religious people can defend themselves they don't need you holding their hand you wally.

Get off the fence and make a decision, you probably secretly believe in god, just incase right?
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lol. Agreed. That made me laugh. I love the word wally. :D
 
Sliver said:
lol. Agreed. That made me laugh. I love the word wally. :D
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You agree because you dont like the fact that you preach and its been pointed out, and whats even worse you dont even have a full grasp of what you preach. As was highlighted in the linked thread previously.
 
I think most religions were invented to control people in primitive times, telling someone that they will go to hell for doing something bad is pretty much what parents do when they tell their children if they don't behave they're grounded, it's scaring them into changing their behaviour. Religion is surplus to requirements now as the ten commandments and hell have been replaced by the rule of law and prisons, politics has replaced religion.

BUT. Evolution does not disprove any sort of creative intelligence and science only has theories thus far, for me the most scientific approach is to accept that we do not know and leave both options on the table, religous nutters and militant atheists are both as bad as each other.
 
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mmj_uk said:
I think most religions were invented to control people in primitive times, telling someone that they will go to hell for doing something bad is pretty much what parents do when they tell their children if they don't behave they're grounded, it's scaring them into changing their behaviour. Religion is surplus to requirements now as the ten commandments and hell have been replaced by the rule of law and prisons, politics has replaced religion.

BUT. Evolution does not disprove any sort of creator and science only has theories thus far, for me the most scientific approach is to accept that we do not know and leave both options on the table, religous nutters and militant atheists are both as bad as each other.
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I agree completely except for that last bit. Religious nutters fly planes into buildings. Militant atheists just annoy the god crew on the tinterweb. ;)
 
What most "militant atheists" want is to live their lives without interference by religion. I want freedom of religion for all people, but I also want freedom from religion in my life. It should be a choice to interact with religion, not something forced upon us ie. in America, where creationists want their BS taught alongside evolution as "the controversy", or for gay people to be allowed to, firstly, just exist, and secondly, to get married, without a religious bigwig getting involved and telling them what they think they should or shouldn't be doing.
 
Sliver said:
I agree completely except for that last bit. Religious nutters and Militant atheists just annoy everyone on the tinterweb. ;)
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Ive fixed that for you, dont forget;

People with a psychological need to believe in marvels are no more prejudiced and gullible than people with a psychological need not to believe in marvels
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dirtychinchilla said:
What most "militant atheists" want is to live their lives without interference by religion.
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My experience is not of this, I dont see religious nutters and militant atheists, I just see militant nutters. They are two sides of the same coin.

dirtychinchilla said:
I want freedom of religion for all people, but I also want freedom from religion in my life. It should be a choice to interact with religion, not something forced upon us ie. in America, where creationists want their BS taught alongside evolution as "the controversy", or for gay people to be allowed to, firstly, just exist, and secondly, to get married, without a religious bigwig getting involved and telling them what they think they should or shouldn't be doing.
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This i'm onboard with.
 
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I think its high time we shouldn't be quiet about religion. We should ridicule it in a peaceful and educated way of course, to start eradicating it completely.

Take the good from it and get rid.

You believe in one tale of sky fairies, hey grow up.
 
Tachyon said:
But it's still a line or am I missing the point?
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It is a line, but is it a yellow one or a magenta one?

Now instead of colours, imagine it starts off as a bacteria, and finishes as a cat. At no point does a bacteria spontaneously give birth to a kitten, but through the process of millions of changes, you end up with a cat
 
tbyeah said:
You have a very loose definition of militant.

No-one in here has been overly aggressive and the like (as far as I'm aware).
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There are plenty of people who have taken a confrontational stance on this subject and been abusive towards or just trolled other members beliefs, it was the reason for the amended rule to the sticky thread. I'm sure you've read it though so you must be aware?

The fact it still continues is more to do with people not bothering to RTM as requested.
 
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