Need help choosing a good 2.1 or 2.0 setup with a budget of up to £300

I used to use a Focusrite Saffire as a DAC for my headphone amp - can't say I ever noticed anything wrong with it. But you buy a Focusrite for their excellent input preamps, not the output. Plus you'd probably have to navigate some music recording-oriented drivers/software to use it.

If the Scarlett's anything like the Saffire, it's a nice little recording device, but a lot of its strong points are wasted when just used as a playback DAC.
 
Actually studio monitors require more setting up they should have separate options on each and usually volume controls on them as well which would require them having the exact same amp settings in them to get the same level of sounds couple that with positioning and altering sounds it's all faff.
Passive speakers one amp two channels simple. Placement of all speakers differs depending on how you like the sound and the speaker

My bad I didn't realise changing volume was such a hassle, volume control depends on th monitor anyway some might have it at the front. I'd just set it at a level in happy with then change through windows when necessary.

Also you talk about amp settings but we're talking powered monitors..passive speakers which you seem to like will require connecting to an amp then EQing etc to suit
Yeah and I apprechiate it. It can be quite confusing at times :D. It does seem though that im going to end up going for exactly what I was going for the in the first place lol.

The Equator d5's with the D1 DAC connected up through the 1/4 TS to RCA hosa cables.

Seems like that would be a good outcome as sim mentioned unbalanced shouldn't matter so much especially when theres not much distance between everything.

There is the FOCUSRITE SCARLETT 2I2 which someone else mentioned on another forum as it has TRS outputs so you could connect TRS to TRS for a balanced output...but the reviews haven't been as glowing as the D1 when it comes to sound quality...Any opinions on that one?

Theres also the FOCUSRITE SCARLETT 2I4 which has more outputs but I guess you don't need them if your using the TRS outputs on the 2I2

As the guy above said a DAC would be better as it's core purpose is digital to analogue conversion where as an audio interface is made for multiple purposes so the DAC won't be as good but still decent.
 
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+1 however i lave all my amps at direct rather than fiddling with EQ, theres a direct source for a reason! DONT GO FIDDLING WITH MUSIC NOW!
 
So apart from Sim... what do you others think about the fact that's its going to be an unbalanced connection since id have to use TS to RCA cable to connect them up...im a studio setup i can imagine it might cause issues since you would run the cables over a much longer distance but at home on a computer will there be any issue or should it be fine?
 
I used to use a Focusrite Saffire as a DAC for my headphone amp - can't say I ever noticed anything wrong with it. But you buy a Focusrite for their excellent input preamps, not the output. Plus you'd probably have to navigate some music recording-oriented drivers/software to use it.

If the Scarlett's anything like the Saffire, it's a nice little recording device, but a lot of its strong points are wasted when just used as a playback DAC.

Did your cables come today? it would be good to know what you think when its all setup properly as im probably going to pull the plug tomorrow and order this.
 
Did your cables come today? it would be good to know what you think when its all setup properly as im probably going to pull the plug tomorrow and order this.

Yup :)

First up, a really shonky photo [seriously, this was the best I could get out of my Nexus 4's POS camera]:

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They *are* straight, it's just the rubbish lens :p That's a 27-inch monitor, by the way.

I've only had a couple of hours listening so far. As expected, using an external DAC eliminated the RF noise I was getting from the onboard sound test I did earlier.

Overall sound? Neutral with a *hint* of forward mids. Tight impactful bass, especially now they've been isolated on their stands. Highs not harsh at all - delicate orchestral sounds, like bells and pizzicato strings have a natural clarity.

Stereo imaging is really good... but I think that's because the iso stands raise the tweeter up to ear level, so I'm on-axis. If you're thinking of placing them directly on desk, you might want to angle them up to your head, as I suspect they're very sensitive to this. And remember, the tweeters are lower on these compared to other monitors, due to the coaxial design. I think you'd not be getting the best of them if you didn't have some sort of aiming/elevation.

I may post more thoughts later, but so far they're increasingly impressive; particularly now they're at ear height. :)
 
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Yup :)

First up, a really shonky photo [seriously, this was the best I could get out of my Nexus 4's POS camera]:

nice-audio-gear-shame-about-the-photo-gear.jpg


They *are* straight, it's just the rubbish lens :p That's a 27-inch monitor, by the way.

I've only had a couple of hours listening so far. As expected, using an external DAC eliminated the RF noise I was getting from the onboard sound test I did earlier.

Overall sound? Neutral with a *hint* of forward mids. Tight impactful bass, especially now they've been isolated on their stands. Highs not harsh at all - delicate orchestral sounds, like bells and pizzicato strings have a natural clarity.

Stereo imaging is really good... but I think that's because the iso stands raise the tweeter up to ear level, so I'm on-axis. If you're thinking of placing them directly on desk, you might want to angle them up to your head, as I suspect they're very sensitive to this. And remember, the tweeters are lower on these compared to other monitors, due to the coaxial design. I think you'd not be getting the best of them if you didn't have some sort of aiming/elevation.

I may post more thoughts later, but so far they're increasingly impressive; particularly now they're at ear height. :)

Really would look at the placement there of the speakers check out angling them in only slightly should be sonically far better. Not many speakers are meant to be that straight.
 
Really would look at the placement there of the speakers check out angling them in only slightly should be sonically far better. Not many speakers are meant to be that straight.
I have actually toed them in a bit since that photo was taken this morning :)
 
They're IsoAcoustics ISO-L8R 155s, which can be configured high, like that, or low but angled up. Review/comparison with pads here:

 
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Have you heard the Audioengine A5+ sim? Im curious how different they sound to those since there marketed more as desktop speakers instead of monitors.

I wish there was somewhere close by that I could listen to both of these lol.

I just ordered my new monitor all that's left is new speakers now :D
 
Have you heard the Audioengine A5+ sim? Im curious how different they sound to those since there marketed more as desktop speakers instead of monitors.[...]
'Fraid not, sorry. Again, though, they do seem to review well. If it weren't for my studio engineering past, I'd probably have those on a shortlist instead of a set of studio monitors. I watched a video review of them by Hardware Canucks which seemed to suggest that they've got slightly more weight to the bottom end at the expense of a little mid detail [not a bad thing if you just want to enjoy music and films].

I've been trying to distil my thoughts on how the D5s sound into a couple of words. So far I've got it down to "natural, transparent, precise". I was half expecting them to be a bit boxy and toppy - like the infamous Yamaha NS10s, if any studio types are reading this - but nope, not at all. Of course, what you use to play through them is going to make a difference.

As I've said before, though: these fit all *my* criteria, sound-wise.
 
I have been looking at picking up something similar but my budget has been escalating although I have now decided to bring it under control.

You can see my thoughts on the speakers I have listened to so far here: http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18611884

If you are looking at Powered (as opposed to Active) speakers like the Audioengine A5+ you should really look at the Aktimate Mini speakers. I haven't heard them but nearly every single review and comparison I have read say that they blow the A5+ out of the water. Personally, if I was going powered, the Aktimates would be the ones I would look at.

As it happens, I am going Active and want to get the right balance between price Vs Size Vs sound quality.

I have read some good things about the Equator D5 although I haven't heard them.

Simisker, if you don't mind, a few questions on the D5s:
  1. How are you finding the D5 speakers ?
  2. Which other ones did you listen to before choosing the D5?
  3. Do you get the weird bass popping issue some people have experienced when turning the volume up?

By the way, I like your ISO Acoustic stands. I was looking at these but not sure if they are worth the extra money over angled foam pads. I haven't seen the video you posted on them so I will watch that when I get a chance.

Right now, if I can keep to my budget, my short list consists of
  • Adam A3X
  • Yamaha HS5
  • Tannoy 402 (or maybe 502)

I may put the D5 on that list though based on simisker's reply
 
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[...] You can see my thoughts on the speakers I have listened to so far here: http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18611884
Yeah, I was reading your thread yesterday, and was going to point Matson in its direction, but you've beaten me to it! Some useful observations from your auditioning that I'm sure will be appreciated by anyone looking for monitors in this price range :)

2. Which other ones did you listen to before choosing the D5?
I'm answering this one first as it'll help give you a picture of where I'm coming from.

The short answer is: none :eek: :D

I had a budget that meant I was able to consider Dynaudios, Adams, Neumanns and SE Munro Eggs. Obviously that's the sort of price range where you pretty much have to try them out in person [or better still, trial loans], but then I remembered the D5s and thought that for the money I could take a punt on them 'blind'. If they disappointed, I could sell them on for minimal loss and move up to the bigger boys armed with a clearer idea of what wouldn't disappoint.

It should be said that I do have a background that includes studio engineering. As a result, I've experienced monitors like Alesis Monitor Ones and Twos [surprisingly imprecise], Yamaha NS-10Ms [the sound of a close-mic'ed kick drum gutlessly flapping its way through NS-10Ms is something that will haunt me forever], and Dynaudio BM6s [far and away the best nearfields I've heard]. But that was some time ago, so I'm relying on memories rather than objective comparison.


1. How are you finding the D5 speakers ?
Having had them for most of the week, I guess I'm still in that honeymoon period, but so far I'm very happy with them. I haven't found a sonic fault yet. The blue LEDs, on the other hand, are going to be taped over sooner rather than later, mind - distractingly bright!

Sound-wise, I'm afraid it's going to be nigh-on impossible for me to make any meaningful comparisons, as the D5s were part of a total audio upgrade and I have nothing I can A/B them with. It's also going to be difficult to say whether they're value or not: as studio monitors, they're in a low price bracket, but as PC speakers they're almost extravagantly pricey. Compounding this, a recent increase in my purchase power has, I'm afraid to say, distorted my idea of what constitutes 'value'.

But anyway, the standouts for me so far:

  • Natural-sounding - nothing's hyped [there's perhaps a slight low-mid bump]. It's not a V-shaped freq curve by any means - if you want ultra-sparkly top end, you may be better off with the ribbon-tweetered Adams, from what I've read - but nor is it a *cold* analytical neutral.
  • Transients & impact - As you should expect from coaxials with DSP correction, these handle transients really well [at least at the low to moderate volumes I've been listening at]. Snares have bite, toms have punch, cymbals have ting, and splosions have...erm, splo. Or whatever.
  • Stereo imaging & depth - it's a wide field, positioning is good [not laser-guided, but then these are budget monitors!], and when I'm in the sweet spot there is that lovely 3D effect, where everything that's more centrally positioned seems to be coming from behind my computer screen. So there's some depth to the soundstage.
  • 'Headphone'-esque detail - while they're not going to rival headphones for forensic detail, I was pleasantly surprised to hear some sounds that I would only really expect to hear through phones. Things like those wet mouth noises that get compressed in TV studio broadcasts, for instance. And the studio that Gary Lineker does his presenting in is smaller than the BBC would like you to think, judging by the clearly audible room reflections :D
  • Tight low-end - especially on the IsoAcoustics. Obviously a sub's going to be needed for heavy club music, but they easily produce enough for my 7m x 4m room. Incidentally, the specs say that the low end of their range is 53Hz, but I ran a sine wave sweep through them earlier and was hearing a signal at 45-46Hz. That sweep also didn't seem to reveal any resonant peaks further up, as some others have reported, so I'm now wondering if they've made some stealthy improvements to the spec/production.

3. Do you get the weird bass popping issue some people have experienced when turning the volume up?
Couldn't tell you, sorry. I live in a block of flats, so have neighbours up down left and right. I'm not going to **** them off until they start ******** me off! As soon as they do, though, I'll update this post :D

By the way, I like your ISO Acoustic stands. I was looking at these but not sure if they are worth the extra money over angled foam pads. I haven't seen the video you posted on them so I will watch that when I get a chance.
Have you watched it yet? The differences on mid-heavy music like rock/metal is evident! Having said that, the 'sonic integrity' isn't the main reason I bought them; I was more concerned with bass resonating through to the neighbourinos, which they cut down really well. And obviously having both the woofers and tweeters at ear level is a good thing too. But yes, pads are cheaper - certainly better than no isolation/angle at all.

Hope that helps a little, anyway. Sorry I can't give more objective/comparative opinion!
 
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Nice to see someone else in the same situation :D.
Im most likely definatly going for the D5's but I have a serious lack of space on the desk now due to the 34 inch ultra wide lg monitor I got yesterday. My skinny Logitech speakers barely fit on the desk so im not sure how I would work the D5 ones in and there considered the smaller of these top quality active speakers lol..
heres a pic so you can see what I mean.....
The monitor looks smaller in the pic but in person its huge and nearly covered my whole desk lol.

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Oooh, lovely! But yeah, you'll not fit any studio monitors either side. Are full-height stands an option for you? If so, that opens up the realm of floor-standing hi-fi speakers.

The paralysis of choice, eh? :D
 
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