AMD R9 290 (Non-X, Pro, etc) Owners Club

[Tonester0011]

I would have liked to compare 780 SLI and then switch to 290 CF but I don't have the time nor the will . D3D generally doesn't do too well with CF/SLI smoothness so I imagine it is night and day in that situation.

That's the one thing i never tried, 290CF. Had two cards, just one was for looks....and i refused to turn it on due to the whine. Should have done some actual testing, too lazy, don't care enough and not enough time even if i wanted to

 

[shankly1985]

Rusty do you play with Vsync on? Maybe its something to do with I play with no sync. So the frame rate has its own free will.

Maybe the vsync is keep the frame rate in line to how you feel it smooth.

Maybe because I let the frame rate go into 100+ mark and drop down at time a good 50-70fps.... Its here where DirectX struggles and you get a slow down effect, am sure you have all felt this slow down effect before?

Mantle on the other hand just stays very smooth and if I didn't have the frame rate on screen I wouldn't know I dropped at good 50+fps

 

[Rusty0611]

Or they're just more sensitive to it than you, after all we're not the same.

Years of twitch gaming has made me extremely OTT on all things smooth and input lag related so I trust my judgement to notice if anything was different upon trying Mantle.

But, no, there just really isn't anything there for me with single GPU with a high end CPU.

Is it really the end of the world though? It isn't really what Mantle is supposed to do. It's about bumping performance of low-end CPUs and alleviating the bottleneck for situations where people have a ton of GPU grunt (e.g. CF)

I'll be playing more BF4 today so we'll see again if owte is different. I'll be on the DT maps and as that's all I've really been playing in the last couple of weeks will give me a better point of reference to the 780.

Rusty do you play with Vsync on? Maybe its something to do with I play with no sync. So the frame rate has its own free will.

Maybe the vsync is keep the frame rate in line to how you feel it smooth.

Maybe because I let the frame rate go into 100+ mark and drop down at time a good 50-70fps.... Its here where DirectX struggles and you get a slow down effect, am sure you have all felt this slow down effect before?

Mantle on the other hand just stays very smooth and if I didn't have the frame rate on screen I wouldn't know I dropped at good 50+fps

Urgh vsync. That's like swearing at me

I play full ultra and then: 2x MSAA, no motion blur, vsync off. 1920x1080 - 120 Hz

I don't drop to 50s with those settings. It's 70-80 at the very worst. Normally the minimums are around 90. I don't yet know what they're like on Mantle as not monitored properly.

 

[LtMatt]

Years of twitch gaming has made me extremely OTT on all things smooth and input lag related so I trust my judgement to notice if anything was different upon trying Mantle.

But, no, there just really isn't anything there for me with single GPU with a high end CPU.

Is it really the end of the world though? It isn't really what Mantle is supposed to do. It's about bumping performance of low-end CPUs and alleviating the bottleneck for situations where people have a ton of GPU grunt (e.g. CF)

I'll be playing more BF4 today so we'll see again if owte is different. I'll be on the DT maps and as that's all I've really been playing in the last couple of weeks will give me a better point of reference to the 780.

Of course not. As i said some will notice it, some won't. As long as the experience is good then that's all that matters. Even you said it was more consistent and had better minimums and a high fps so it's all good. You can probably double or triple that on multi gpu as you can imagine.

 

[shankly1985]

Years of twitch gaming has made me extremely OTT on all things smooth and input lag related so I trust my judgement to notice if anything was different upon trying Mantle.

But, no, there just really isn't anything there for me with single GPU with a high end CPU.

Is it really the end of the world though? It isn't really what Mantle is supposed to do. It's about bumping performance of low-end CPUs and alleviating the bottleneck for situations where people have a ton of GPU grunt (e.g. CF)

I'll be playing more BF4 today so we'll see again if owte is different. I'll be on the DT maps and as that's all I've really been playing in the last couple of weeks will give me a better point of reference to the 780.


Urgh vsync. That's like swearing at me

I play full ultra and then: 2x MSAA, no motion blur, vsync off. 1920x1080 - 120 Hz

I don't drop to 50s with those settings. It's 70-80 at the very worst. Normally the minimums are around 90. I don't yet know what they're like on Mantle as not monitored properly.

Am not saying I drop to 50fps am saying I can go from say 150fps to 100fps.

 

[uksoldierboy]

I don't quite understand it how people can't see let alone feel the difference.

Mantle gives me an extra 20-25fps on average and increases my mins by at least 15fps.

Even on my system which is highly overclocked.

It's a strange one, i guess everyone is different.

 

[LtMatt]

I don't quite understand it how people can't see let alone feel the difference.

Mantle gives me an extra 20-25fps on average and increases my mins by at least 15fps.

Even on my system which is highly overclocked.

It's a strange one, i guess everyone is different.

And you came from a 780TI too. However as i was saying to Rusty some people will notice it and some won't. Nothing to get upset over really, just one of those things. Really depends on the user, if they pay attention to the fps, the cpu+gpu rendering times and consistency etc.

 

[Rusty0611]

I don't quite understand it how people can't see let alone feel the difference.

Mantle gives me an extra 20-25fps on average and increases my mins by at least 15fps.

Even on my system which is highly overclocked.

It's a strange one, i guess everyone is different.

I see and feel the extra minimum FPS which I already said but there's nothing else there and that is me really looking for something to say about it.

And as I drop settings a touch anyway I don't really drop FPS from 100 ish for 95-99% of the round anyway so that probably masks the increase in FPS which Mantle provides somewhat.

I see the placebo effect is strong with you . Sugar pills for headaches is it? I'm jesting of course.

I'm glad you notice some form of improvement but that probably stems from the FPS increase alone which is fine but for me as I drop settings a little to maintain a high framerate (100-120 average) I don't notice going from say 120 FPS to 150 FPS (or whatever).

Am not saying I drop to 50fps am saying I can go from say 150fps to 100fps.

I don't notice any difference between my 780 and 290 in that situation.

 

[Tonester0011]

I don't quite understand it how people can't see let alone feel the difference.

Mantle gives me an extra 20-25fps on average and increases my mins by at least 15fps.

Even on my system which is highly overclocked.

It's a strange one, i guess everyone is different.

I've always ran lowered details, meaning my minimums were and always have been 100+. I tend to notice the slow downs fairly easily, hence why i run low details

Never been a whore for graphics.

 

[LtMatt]

I see and feel the extra minimum FPS which I already said but there's nothing else there and that is me really looking for something to say about it.

And as I drop settings a touch anyway I don't really drop FPS from 100 ish for 95-99% of the round anyway so that probably masks the increase in FPS which Mantle provides somewhat.

You probably would notice it less as you used a overclocked gpu+gpu before, you played at 1080P and you dropped settings. 1080P really is a cakewalk for a 290 or a 780 in BF4, even at the highest settings.

 

[Rusty0611]

You probably would notice it less as you used a overclocked gpu+gpu before, you played at 1080P and you dropped settings. 1080P really is a cakewalk for a 290 or a 780 in BF4, even at the highest settings.

Says the man with a 60 Hz monitor .

 

[LtMatt]

Says the man with a 60 Hz monitor .

A 60hz 1440P monitor, with 150% resolution scaling.

 

[Rusty0611]

I accidentally somehow had 60 Hz on Weds... no idea how. I think sometimes it gets confused when I swap monitors around and retains the 60 Hz from my 1440p one....

..... oh my days I don't know how you play like that!!!

Anyway lads that's my view on Mantle for now. I don't have a single bad word to say about it really.

 

[wazza300]

120hz/144hz is like sex,if you never had it you never miss it

 

[LtMatt]

I accidentally somehow had 60 Hz on Weds... no idea how. I think sometimes it gets confused when I swap monitors around and retains the 60 Hz from my 1440p one....

..... oh my days I don't know how you play like that!!!

Anyway lads that's my view on Mantle for now. I don't have a single bad word to say about it really.

Your opinion is just as valid as everyone elses. Glad your experience with Mantle has been good and welcome back.

As for 60hz, i can be blissfully ignorant as I've not tried a high Hz screen. I'm sure i would prefer it, but as you know currently i prefer image/colour quality over a higher refresh rate. If i played competitively that might be different i suppose.

120hz/144hz is like sex,if you never had it you never miss it

Haha, well said.

 

[Tonester0011]

I accidentally somehow had 60 Hz on Weds... no idea how. I think sometimes it gets confused when I swap monitors around and retains the 60 Hz from my 1440p one....

..... oh my days I don't know how you play like that!!!

It's horrible, i've had that happen before and was going slightly mad...no idea what the issue was...not until i looked at the screen refresh. Is that what it's like for people on 60hz!!! How do they shoot straight! (not talking about Matt, he plays easymode, only have to hit someone once with your 200clip mag to get a kill)

 

[LtMatt]

It's horrible, i've had that happen before and was going slightly mad...no idea what the issue was...not until i looked at the screen refresh. Is that what it's like for people on 60hz!!! How do they shoot straight! (not talking about Matt, he plays easymode, only have to hit someone once with your 200clip mag to get a kill)

Actually I've started playing Normal mode Tone, check my last dozen or more battle reports. Normal is so much easier than hardcore.

 

[Tonester0011]

Actually I've started playing Normal mode Tone, check my last dozen or more battle reports. Normal is so much easier than hardcore.

Lol.
I've not played BF4 in yonks...check my last battle report

Normal/Hardcore is equally easy, it's public lobbies with 90%+ people playing unable to shoot straight. Don't you normally whore vehicles though? Could see why that's easier for you, actually. As iirc your playstyle is conservative and fairly boring

 

[LtMatt]

Lol.
I've not played BF4 in yonks...check my last battle report

Normal/Hardcore is equally easy, it's public lobbies with 90%+ people playing unable to shoot straight. Don't you normally whore vehicles though? Could see why that's easier for you, actually. As iirc your playstyle is conservative and fairly boring

I just play to have fun. The majority of my kills are on foot, but i do like to mix it up with some tank, lav and boat usage from time to time. Can't fly to save my life unfortunately.

 

[uksoldierboy]

Sorry was in a rush and worded that post wrong, my apologises if it seemed like I was calling bs on your findings.

I was merely questioning myself really as to why I notice such a difference on my system using mantle.

The main thing is we all have an enjoyable, issue free experience regardless of using mantle or dx.

Which it seems we all for the most part do.