ISIS and Islamic militants - discussion
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Totally agree. But as I said earlier, sadly if IS start taking heavy losses they will just retreat back into Syria to join the rest of IS and continue to slaughter there instead
. But Syria is unlikely to get any major help from the west.
It was more a reaction to finding any part of this horrendous situation 'hilarious' whether it relates to using a light aircraft or not.
There's nothing funny about what's happening.
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Totally agree. But as I said earlier, sadly if IS start taking heavy losses they will just retreat back into Syria to join the rest of IS and continue to slaughter there instead
Syria are responsible for their own mess, ultimately there would be no Isis if it wasn't for the brutal crackdown against peaceful protests demanding an end to a brutal dictatorship. (Legitimate cause)
And it not as if the regime isn't responsible for enough slaughter itself.
Best we can do in Syria is help protect the innocents whilst bolstering the FSA and hope both the regime and ISIS fall.
you do realise ISIS were formed in IRAQ right? not syria?
Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) became the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) and then became Islamic State (IS)
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Sorry I meant giving them prominence as ultimately a lot of forces have come from Syria to cause mayhem in Iraq.
Eh you are aware isis began to form in Iraq? Edit (bah beaten like a dog
) With a lot of Saddam old head men. They have only gone to Syria as it was an easy target, many fighting factions so very easy to get a foothold and work from there.And bolstering the FSA? You are aware the FSA is not one big group, and is made of many different factions. These facions keep swapping and changing sides all the time even joining sides like IS and Al nusra.
No side in Syria is guilt free, but there were not one million refugees and over 100,000 dead in only a few years under Assad.(pre war)
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What I don't understand is why the UN security council is doing seemingly nothing other than writing a letter saying that it needs to stop?
Why hasn't a multinational peacekeeping force been sent to protect the fleeing civilians?
Why hasn't a multinational peacekeeping force been sent to protect the fleeing civilians?
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Eh you are aware isis began to form in Iraq? Edit (bah beaten like a dog
Yes I have gone on to expand, since a lot of Syrian forces have joined up with IS giving them a massive boost allowing them to go on a rampage.
Non extremist parts.
Yes because his people were not brave enough to ask for their freedom from a dictatorship, pre war. The Arab spring brought them some hope which was brutally cracked down upon.
Totally agree. But as I said earlier, sadly if IS start taking heavy losses they will just retreat back into Syria to join the rest of IS and continue to slaughter there instead
There has to be a political solution to this where the main players sit down and sort it out. There will be no western ground troops involved and air strikes alone can not cut it. Isis will not go away that easily. They have been fighting more or less everybody the last couple of months and emerged stronger not weaker.
I guess Obama wants to ensure they stay in Syria and Iraq is left alone. Assad needs to go as he is to close to Iran, the Syrian war has already weakened Shi'a influence in that area. Perhaps Isis will be forced to stick to Syria.
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Imagining a Cessna trying to attack anything is a little bit funny though! Plus I thought we were on about the Iraqi army, not like they're going around killing civilians indiscriminately is it.
FSA is useless, corrupt and divided. Isis is the total opposite just replace corrupt with bloodthirsty.
FSA cannot win in Syria the regime or Isis have the best chance.
But the "moderate" FSA By most accounts is all but dead, after being attacked from Al nusra, IS and SAA. There are very few left, and those that are left are being moved quickly. as their areas of influence are retreating rapidly and have shown no growth. So it's either a case of support Assad or Al nusra or IS. Tough choice. Right bed time for me work early in the morning
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Yea its a tricky one, its a crying shame either way for the majority of the country who were just asking for change.
If Assad wasn't so occupied on to holding power by any means necessary extremists wouldn't have had a foothold to get in.
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But the "moderate" FSA By most accounts is all but dead, after being attacked from Al nusra, IS and SAA. There are very few left, and those that are left are being moved quickly. as their areas of influence are retreating rapidly and have shown no growth. So it's either a case of support Assad or Al nusra or IS. Tough choice. Right bed time for me work early in the morning
True, that's why I said bolster
I'm glad, I don't seek to hide anything about my views. I am openly against any people who commit atrocities against innocent civilians, nevermind beheading kids and putting their heads on spikes.
This isn't really the thread to start discussing history, but unsurprisingly you seem to have accepted a version of history which suits you. A famous historian De Lacy O’Leary disagrees with you. In his book “Islam at the cross road” (Page 8), he writes “History makes it clear however, that the legend of fanatical Muslims sweeping through the world and forcing Islam at the point of the sword upon conquered races is one of the most fantastically absurd myth that historians have ever repeated.” Many others would also disagree with you but like I said, this isn't really the thread for it.
I will agree though, that there are and have been over the years, rebel groups associating themselves with Islam carrying out all sorts of horrific crimes which are clearly and openly against the teachings of Islam. In fact, I think you'll be hard pressed to find any religious group that is free from having extremists of some sort.
Security council doesn't have anything to do here at the moment, the Iraqi govt isn't the immediate problem - IS isn't a member state so actual sanctions etc.. aren't required, security council approval isn't needed for military action to take place - the Iraqi govt is already involved in military actions trying to prevent IS from making further gains and is very keen to get assistance from the west which they are now getting to a limited extent. Obviously there is an issue with the Iraqi govt and their relations with the Sunni groups but not one to be solved militarily... still its a reason why the west needs to be careful as far as intervention is concerned. They've taken limited action recently partly to protect a city housing a US consulate and partly to stop a potential genocide.
Messed up any way it finishes, if Assad wins it's back to square one. If Isis wins there will be no peace for the next few decades if not more. Even if they have there own mini state they'll push to expand it.