ISIS and Islamic militants - discussion

zoomee said:
Theres nothing funny about innocent people dying. I'm laughing at badcompanys pathetic contradictory 'crusades' justification, followed by a link to his obviously biased 'crisismagazine' - trust certain individuals here to try and twist my post to fit their own biased agendas.

Here's a more un-biased article about the crusades written by ex-christians:
http://articles.exchristian.net/2002/10/how-many-people-have-been-killed-by.php

I'll never be pro-ISIS - in fact the opposite. If what the western media are propagating about them is true - I hope they get wiped off this planet. But one thing I've learned since the original lies of the Iraq war and the 'war of revenge' on afghanistan is that western media are very good at making up propaganda to fit the governments 'foreign agenda'.

What is interesting is that the likes of badcompany and the other anti-muslamics here didn't bat an eyelid when ISIS were slaughtering muslims. Citing the usual 'leave them to it' lines if they did bother to voice an opinion.

As soon as a couple of churches and christians are involved their all over it, soaking in Obama's propaganda to start 'bombing'. It's pathetic and goes to show that human life is only of values to certain individuals here if it involves their own faith. ALL human life is sacred to me, irrespective of their religion.

I will NEVER agree with bombing a country. Too many innocent people get killed. The life taking of ONE innocent person is not justifiable in this age of advanced weaponry the likes of the US and others claim to have.

MOST if not all of the problems in the middle-east are just exasperated by western intervention - If we didn't start the Iraq war there would have been no ISIS. The main problem is that when we go to war in a country we also back our own puppets being in power. IF they are not pro-US/UK then we help overthrow them. Been doing this for years and then wonder why the middle-east is such a broken place? - It's our own doing.
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I don't agree with beheading at all and all killing is pointless I am not anti Islam just I don't want it expanding and destroying other countries all I see it brings is suffering and trouble show me somewhere were Islam hasn't caused damage or where people live a peaceful life where all people are treated as equals.
 
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What were you waiting for before stopping watching this? The credits to roll?
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I don't think you have to be so cynical in your comment to a post that was clearly not sensationalist in its intent.

I guess sometimes there are certain things you have to see to actually believe that people could do such things to other human beings.
Hearing about it on the news or on internet forums doesn't convey the horrific brutality.
You don't want to look, but you are compelled not to turn away as closing your eyes for being squeamish somehow feels like you're failing to witness these peoples lives.

I don't know if that makes much sense. Years ago I watched footage of some Filipino caterers being murdered by suni militants in iraq - shootings and a beheading. Until that point the reality of how evil these people are didn't really mean anything.

Perhaps it's a product of our sheltered western lives, but these sorts of things are just so far away from what most of us experience, the sheer incredulity of barbarism has to be seen to be understood; not for any sensationalist reason - eg two girls one cup - but because it is something that has no frame of reference, no meaning other than the abstract until you have seen the recording of the pitiless and savage killing these people are capable of.
This was quite a while before 9/11 and it completely changed my views on how such maniacs should be dealt with. Having lived in the middle east for a number of years, my experience of the people out there has always tempered my view of the news we are often fed about islam and the culture out there.

Not everyone chooses to expose themselves to these things. I understand that, but sometimes you have to see to believe. I forget who it was but many years ago a government or military spokesman said that if the images and reality of warfare were made available to the populations back home and not covered up with propaganda and glossed over with terms like neutralising the enemy, or collateral damage, then a lot more people would have a great deal more reticence in supporting any kind of military intervention in future.

Whilst this is true, seeing how savage some people can actually be for their ideology hardened my resolve toward understanding how such people should be treated. There should be no reasoning with the insane, no diplomacy or negotiation; they should be dispatched as quickly and efficiently as possible; put down like the rabid dogs they are for the safety of all who would fall beneath their knives if we stand about twiddling our thumbs trying to be reasonable with these maniacs.
 
In Germany, pro-ISIS supporters attack Yazidi protesters with bottles, knives and allegedly machetes also.

http://www.thelocal.de/20140807/echoes-of-iraq-conflict-on-streets-of-herford-yezidi-islamic-state
http://pamelageller.com/2014/08/jih...emo-support-victims-jihad-genocide-iraq.html/

Brought to you by the Religion of Peace™.

Perhaps we can soon stop all the BS about "It's not Islam, it's cultural problems." Sure it is. When British-born muslims join the jihad in Syria; when German muslims attack people on German streets.

Nope. It's Islam. The religion of terror that we'd better start taking seriously.
 
Lady Eliza Manningham-Buller told the Chilcot inquiry into the UK's role in Iraq: "Our involvement in Iraq radicalised, for want of a better word, a whole generation of young people – not a whole generation, a few among a generation – who saw our involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan as being an attack upon Islam."
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but it's pretty clear to just about anyone with half a brain that Afghanistan and Iraq were not at all related to being anti islam? Islam is still there fighting itself and everyone else daily.
 
The Running Man said:
but it's pretty clear to just about anyone with half a brain that Afghanistan and Iraq were not at all related to being anti islam? Islam is still there fighting itself and everyone else daily.
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We shouldn't be surprised that someone called Lady Eliza Manningham-Buller is out of touch with reality. The fact is that this radicalisation of British Muslims has been going on for decades - hell, we even promoted it under the policy of Londonistan. I lived in Bradford for 3 years in the '90s and saw first hand the sense of superiority instilled within the local Muslim population - those Sharia patrols used to happen back then, but no-one gave a damn because it wasn't London. Iraq was a disaster not because it radicalised people who were already radical, but because it gave them freedom and a common cause they could rally behind.
 
zoomee said:
Here's a more un-biased article about the crusades written by ex-christians:
http://articles.exchristian.net/2002/10/how-many-people-have-been-killed-by.php
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Are you sure you know what the word unbiased means? I am not really sure that an article from an Anti Christian Website called "How many people have been killed by Christians since Biblical times?" counts as unbiased...

From a historical perspective the First Crusade was a response to Islamic expansion towards the Byzantine Empire which then developed the secondary objective of liberating the Holy Lands captured several hundred years prior by Islamic expansion into the Levant. That is pretty much a matter of historic record.

As far as the current situation in Iraq, I hope that our involvement stays at humanitarian aid as I don't feel military intervention would be at all helpful in the long run.
 
RDM said:
Are you sure you know what the word unbiased means? I am not really sure that an article from an Anti Christian Website called "How many people have been killed by Christians since Biblical times?" counts as unbiased...

From a historical perspective the First Crusade was a response to Islamic expansion towards the Byzantine Empire which then developed the secondary objective of liberating the Holy Lands captured several hundred years prior by Islamic expansion into the Levant. That is pretty much a matter of historic record.

As far as the current situation in Iraq, I hope that our involvement stays at humanitarian aid as I don't feel military intervention would be at all helpful in the long run.
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don't let historical facts get in the way.
 
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“We can’t go back to Sinjar mountain because Sinjar is surrounded by Arabs,” said Aydo Khudida Qasim, 34, who said that Sunni Arab villagers around Sinjar helped Islamic State take the area. Now he as well as many of his friends and relatives want to get out of Iraq

altogether. “We want to be refugees in other countries, not our own,” he said.
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Bloody Arabs... They have been doing this since the 7th Century! From Arabia they have spread and murdered and now look at Iraq once a Christian center is now reduced to a million or so people linked to that past. Where did they all go? Butchered under Isis or Saddam or probably forced to marry Muslims like they do in Egypt to dwindle the numbers of the Copts too?


Iraq will eventually submit to complete Arabization i think this is the last of them leaving now anyone else would be mad to return to that craphole. They need to let it go like Egypt once somewhere falls to Arabization it is doomed.
 
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yeah yeah, the crusades didn't involve murder, rape, pillage or anything at all did it. They just persuaded people to convert to christianity by using leaflets and love.

Some argue its still on-going but hey lets not let the 21st century get in the way of a good ol' crusade, i mean war:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/oct/07/iraq.usa
George Bush: 'God told me to end the tyranny in Iraq'
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Anyways:
http://stopwar.org.uk/news/from-gaz...always-leave-havoc-in-their-wake#.U-fGs_ldWgt

US intervention causes havoc everywhere it goes but it never tires of bombing Iraq

The failure of all the interventions by the US and its allies has created a series of dangerous and deadly wars and conflicts
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There is something weird about this and the Ukraine stuff I've noticed - not sure if its anything more sinister than the press staging photo/video shoots and/or inserting foreground actors against the backdrop of the real stuff.

Obviously gonna be a lot of people called up/pressed into service and equipped from surplus, etc. but so many press shots show people who basically appear to have fresh out the wrappings equipment off Amazon even setup like the promotional shots used to sell the stuff rather than how anyone would use it in the field especially noticeable with the assault vests with all empty pouches often nothing even in the magazine holders and in general equipment not showing wear and tear consistent with the contents of the related story.

Stark contrast to warzone footage from previous events.
 
zoomee said:
yeah yeah, the crusades didn't involve murder, rape, pillage or anything at all did it. They just persuaded people to convert to christianity by using leaflets and love.

Some argue its still on-going but hey lets not let the 21st century get in the way of a good ol' crusade, i mean war:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/oct/07/iraq.usa

Anyways:
http://stopwar.org.uk/news/from-gaz...always-leave-havoc-in-their-wake#.U-fGs_ldWgt
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Nothing the allies have done in recent years is in anyway similar, or anywhere near as bad, as what ISIS have/are doing. And the other Islamic terrorist groups.

I don't think you're fooling anyone zoomee. Every single time somebody mentions an atrocity - the kinds of brutality only Islamic radicals stoop to - you want to deflect attention away and accuse western nations of doing the same. It was a strawman the first time, it's a strawman now, it'll always be a strawman.

We don't do beheadings, book burnings, forced conversions, mass executions of civilians, ethnic cleansing, etc. Nope, that's your lot.
 
zoomee said:
yeah yeah, the crusades didn't involve murder, rape, pillage or anything at all did it. They just persuaded people to convert to christianity by using leaflets and love.

Some argue its still on-going but hey lets not let the 21st century get in the way of a good ol' crusade, i mean war:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/oct/07/iraq.usa


Anyways:
http://stopwar.org.uk/news/from-gaz...always-leave-havoc-in-their-wake#.U-fGs_ldWgt
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They were Christians and Jews before Islam was even founded. They forced people to become Muslim or be killed pretty much what's happening now.



The west wasn't the aggressive force hell bent on taking over peoples lands, it was in fact restoring the status quo and releasing people from tyranny. Islam took millions or people from europe and africa as slaves as far a field as Iceland right up until the 1960's, something that yet again seems to be starting to happen again.

you really need to find out about the history and I don't mean the rubbish your told by religious bigots.
 
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FoxEye said:
We don't do beheadings, book burnings, forced conversions, mass executions of civilians, ethnic cleansing, etc. Nope, that's your lot.
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beheadings:
http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2014/07/former_fbi_agent_on_decapitati.html

book burnings
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dove_World_Outreach_Center_Quran-burning_controversy

Forced Conversions:
http://www.news.va/en/news/asianepal-40-christian-leaders-arrested-for-forced

Mass Executions of civilians and Ethnic Cleansing:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosnian_Genocide

Got the attention span of a goldfish I guess when it comes to christianity and what its also influenced in the world eh?

Lets not even mention the sneaky underhand tactics christian charities use to 'influence' people who are starving and poor with their 'charity work'.

@@badcompany. If Islam was as bad as you say - there would be no christians, jews or others residing in the islamic countries at all now, so your hate filled view of 'islamic history' is obviously seriously flawed.

Either way I will never back ISIS.
Nor do I hold christians to account for the action of a few, unlike most of you muslamic haters here (omg Islam is soo evil)
Just like I don't blame judaism for Israel's actions (sliver)

Intolerance is rife on these forums and it's always the select few that have this point of view - but unfortunately just keep on banging it out like its the truth - its pathetic really.

When ISIS was killing muslims it was kool - same people here I quote "Let them kill each other"
Now it involves christians - its like omg omg omg, dem der muslamics and der rayguns
 
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