Wow there is a ISIS flag up already?Crap I best make by way to lidl and start stocking up on can food and water,these guys will be taking over the UK in no-time.
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Wow there is a ISIS flag up already?Crap I best make by way to lidl and start stocking up on can food and water,these guys will be taking over the UK in no-time.
Your use of sarcasm is somehow worse than your ability to construct a decent argument. Well played sir.
Now go back to your ARMA 3, keep pretending every problem is a million miles away from you and let the grown ups do the talking.
The flag (like any flag) is a symbol. The fact we have people who support ISIS residing in our capital is an issue. The fact they are confident enough to hang it up and the end of a street tells another story.
Anyone flying an ISIS/Jihad flag should be offered a one-way ticket to go and join their friends.
Indeed. However they know they can do it without consequence. Our country panders to minorities and let's them dictate.
Alternatively, since we're so bad anyway because of what happened in this country 500 years ago maybe we should start burning them at the stake again for heresy!
You seemed to think that "good chunk" middle east is supporting IS and when I pointed out that you are talking a load of crap you started talking about people hanging up IS flags up in the east of London?
From what I know ISIS have about 7,000-10,00 combat troops to the 250k Iraqi army.Are you scaremongering?
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Combat troops =/= supporters/followers.
If the Iraqi army outnumber them 20:1 why don't they do something about them?
If you think ISIS isn't a problem, domestically or internationally, then you are deluded. They are more than a handful or islamic extremist fanboys.
Not been paying attention to recent events, have you. The Iraqi army collapsed and fled from ISIS. ISIS in turn were able to arm themselves with weapons and equipment sold by the US. From armoured vehicles to artillery to assault weapons and uniforms.
ISIS also have millions (billions?) in funding, Iraq is so corrupt that most of the money is siphoned off and the military has very little in the way of equipment (from what I've read).
Did you not know that ISIS stormed Iraq's 2nd biggest city almost unopposed? Why do you think Iraq needs help from the US if it's as simple as you think? Shouldn't Iraq's superior numbers have prevented ISIS from making such huge gains? Well no, because their morale was rock bottom and they fled from battle.
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They may not overtly sympathise with them, but neither do the publicly decry them either.
Like I said, I see 150000 protestors against gaza.
Why aren't the streets lined with anti ISIS demonstrators? Because they kinda sympathise with them.
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The Iraqi Army tends to run away a lot where ISIS troops appear to be fairly well trained by ME standards.
yes do explain why you want others on the street speaking out against isis yet you're not there yourself.
whats that saying 'practice what you preach'
LOL wondered how long it'd be before the "Christianity is just as bad" argument cropped up
Funny you picked that post to say that... In that post I'm pointing out that members of other religions also prefer a party to represent their views, nothing to do with "Christianity is just as bad". But ok...
My maths isn't superb but 1994 is only 20 years ago, not 1200. Let's ignore the rampant preaching and conversion of the last 200 years done by the west, let's ignore the Holocaust, let's ignore Bosnia, let's also ignore the atrocities comitted by Christians and other faiths (such as the aforementioned Rwandans). All that makes ISIS killing of 500 Christians look tame...
Scorza, now you can make your comment...
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Funny you picked that post to say that... In that post I'm pointing out that members of other religions also prefer a party to represent their views, nothing to do with "Christianity is just as bad". But ok...
My maths isn't superb but 1994 is only 20 years ago, not 1200. Let's ignore the rampant preaching and conversion of the last 200 years done by the west, let's ignore the Holocaust, let's ignore Bosnia, let's also ignore the atrocities comitted by Christians and other faiths (such as the aforementioned Rwandans). All that makes ISIS killing of 500 Christians look tame...
Scorza, now you can make your comment...
Rwandan genocide was not a religious genocide?, holocaust was not one in the name of Christianity.
preaching is not forced conversion at the threat of death really is it?
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My maths isn't superb but 1994 is only 20 years ago, not 1200. Let's ignore the rampant preaching and conversion of the last 200 years done by the west, let's ignore the Holocaust, let's ignore Bosnia, let's also ignore the atrocities comitted by Christians and other faiths (such as the aforementioned Rwandans). All that makes ISIS killing of 500 Christians look tame...
Scorza, now you can make your comment...
You do know how much society has progressed in the last 200 years? PS, the Holocaust wasn't a religious war as you're making it out - wasn't at all Christians vs Jews. Unless you want to call Hitler a Christian (lol). Hitler believed in evolutionary racial superiority. Eugenics. That the Germans had evolved into a superior form of life than non-Germans.
I don't think you'll find that's a very Christian teaching. So using the Holocaust as an example of Christian brutality is weak.
Yet again, you find yourself incapable of accepting criticism of ISIS and their brand of Islam. Yet again you attack other religions and try to assert that radical Islam is not worse. It is worse. By several orders of magnitude.
Instead of just saying "Yup, some muslims are nutters and do evil things. We don't like them either and we're opposed to the Islamic State. We want no part of it."
But no, because I guess you aren't 100% opposed. Maybe you think an Islamic State is god's will? Maybe you accept that the violence is unsavoury, but the outcome will be in line with Alla's will?
Because don't muslims believe that everything that happens is god's will? Therefore I guess he condones ISIS and their methods? Maybe that's why you choose to deflect attention away from their crimes towards the Holocaust and other events?
ISIS went and got experience in Syria before expanding eastwards - the kurds are or were standing up to them with the limited resources they have ; for a muslim country they have women fighting on the front line now (what happens when your back is against the wall).
the west need to not only stop putin and his dreams of empire - but should throw resoruces at north Iraq - that or let the gloves of Israel and set the entire ME on fire.
as for `supporters` when its convert or die , hence the recent killing of thousands of Christian women and children , not a lot of choice is there....
the USA caused this mess , whilst Hussein was a dictator , he kept these dogs under control - same as Assad and Gadaffi , until the `holier than thou` USA came wandering along.
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what makes little sense to me as a scholar of religion , is why SUUNI`s? , if ISIS was mainly shia I could understand , but suuni is mainly the more moderate of the 2 branches of islam in the ME (yes there are other branches elsewhere in the world , Ibadi for example or Mahdavia)
the west need to not only stop putin and his dreams of empire - but should throw resoruces at north Iraq - that or let the gloves of Israel and set the entire ME on fire.
as for `supporters` when its convert or die , hence the recent killing of thousands of Christian women and children , not a lot of choice is there....
the USA caused this mess , whilst Hussein was a dictator , he kept these dogs under control - same as Assad and Gadaffi , until the `holier than thou` USA came wandering along.
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what makes little sense to me as a scholar of religion , is why SUUNI`s? , if ISIS was mainly shia I could understand , but suuni is mainly the more moderate of the 2 branches of islam in the ME (yes there are other branches elsewhere in the world , Ibadi for example or Mahdavia)
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Because when I rationalise against isis I get called islamaphobic.
I wouldnt call it rational......you dont expect everyone from the town of Lee Rigbys killers to apologise for the killers actions yet you expect all the muslims in Britain to be apologising for terrorists actions thousands of miles away.