ISIS and Islamic militants - discussion

@FoxEye

there are ]arts of Nottingham , leeds , Birmingham which are already `off limits` to non whites , also for Nottingham (I know it well) , theres area`s off limits to non blacks - muslim or otherwise.


thank labour and Cameron for our `big multi cultural society` , where you don't have to `learn the lingo` to get benefits or a flat....
 
Apart from some UK muslims who have, you know, joined ISIS. And some German muslims who attacked a Yazidi protest on German streets.

Shame on them, you know extremists types tend to be more vocal and stand out given they are extremists!


The fact is, muslims don't do nearly enough to show that they are against extremism.

What fact? Does every Muslim need to run down the street naked with "I'M against ISIS" painted on their butts to keep you happy? Aren't you against extremism, why aren't you protesting and doing something to show you are against extremism in any form? Perhaps somethings are a little more complicated that what you would like to make it out to be?

For example I think many Muslims are sceptical about the whole current situation in Iraq and the Middle east and how it is presented by the west given how many times they have been burned before. Fool me once...like the saying says so I'm not surprised many Muslims are a little cautious. Not to mention little good has come from western interference in the middle east for decades.


And the muslims in this thread only want to attack the west and other religions, instead of uttering a single word of condemnation.

That's absurd, the only reason other religions are brought into the discussion is because of retarded statements by the likes of you. For example "Any religion which can be interpreted in such a way is an abomination." this is only one of many in this thread. Hence why people have pointed out how retarded your statement was because by providing you with example.....
 
I guess foxeye didn't read the thread properly, quite a few Muslims condemned isis.

I think the problem that Foxeye and myself have is the massive double standards in the Muslim community. Yes Muslims will condemn Islamic State, but that's just words. When Muslims are on the receiving end of human rights abuses e.g. Bosnia, Kosovo, Gaza, Syria you get British Muslims organising charitable donations, delivering aid and even going off to fight on the side of the perceived oppressed. When Muslims are persecuting non-Muslim, all you get is words. I mean you even admitted a few pages ago, without batting an eyelid, that Yazidis aren't relevant to Muslims so you don't care about their fate as much as you do Muslims in Gaza.

Personally when I see human suffering I don't ask "do I have anything in common with these people?" before donating to charity - I just donate.
 
I think the problem that Foxeye and myself have is the massive double standards in the Muslim community. Yes Muslims will condemn Islamic State, but that's just words. When Muslims are on the receiving end of human rights abuses e.g. Bosnia, Kosovo, Gaza, Syria you get British Muslims organising charitable donations, delivering aid and even going off to fight on the side of the perceived oppressed. When Muslims are persecuting non-Muslim, all you get is words. I mean you even admitted a few pages ago, without batting an eyelid, that Yazidis aren't relevant to Muslims so you don't care about their fate as much as you do Muslims in Gaza.

Personally when I see human suffering I don't ask "do I have anything in common with these people?" before donating to charity - I just donate.

I don't ask my self either it just comes naturally, if there was no Gaza I'd happily donate to the yazidi cause.

Never met one in my life so have nothing in common but wouldn't stop my self giving money to them.
 
where`s the current battle line in Syria? is Assad still pushing north? if so , the` rebels` are simply moving to another country - whilst killing other `reebls` who do not follow the same extremist doctrine
 
I think the problem that Foxeye and myself have is the massive double standards in the Muslim community.

Isn't that normal, not just the Muslim community? you know like people who have been affected by cancer usually raise/donate for cancer? Why are they ignoring people with disabilities...

Yes Muslims will condemn Islamic State, but that's just words. When Muslims are on the receiving end of human rights abuses e.g. Bosnia, Kosovo, Gaza, Syria you get British Muslims organising charitable donations, delivering aid and even going off to fight on the side of the perceived oppressed. When Muslims are persecuting non-Muslim, all you get is words. I mean you even admitted a few pages ago, without batting an eyelid, that Yazidis aren't relevant to Muslims so you don't care about their fate as much as you do Muslims in Gaza.

Isn't that normal again? When you are the victim you usually focus on it more rather than when someone else is the victim? Perhaps Muslims feel they can only rely on them selves when it comes to supporting other Muslims? Were British thoughts more with our armed forces dying or civilians in Iraq dying?

Given that we have gotten International military action within a matter of days/weeks for the the current victims of Iraq, I would suggest that is rather impressive no?

Also worth mentioning is in the latest protest for Gaza, the protesters were a huge mix of people with a large percentage being non Muslim. Why don't you ask them why they aren't also protesting now? I think the fact is it wasn't really clear what was going on in Iraq for a while due to no reporters being on the ground to independently verify claims. Also there has been a lot of lies and propaganda floating about. Also there is a huge civil war going on in Syria and a sectarian conflict in Iraq. The whole thing is a lot more complicated and messy than some seem to suggest.

Personally when I see human suffering I don't ask "do I have anything in common with these people?" before donating to charity - I just donate.

You say that as if that isn't the case for most people. Although I can dam well bet you if it was Brits who needed urgent aid us Brits would be the first port and call.
 
I think the point was there are a magnitude of times more areas that are no go for anyone who isn't white in the UK.

I can name a handful right now in my city, ravenscliff being one of those dumps.

The whole situation is a mess. I hate the idea that any area should be off-limits to any person. It's absurd, and it leads to primitive tribal/gang behaviours.

The creation of pockets of X,Y,Z must be stopped and reversed. I am staunchly opposed to ghettos of blacks/whites/asians/whatever. It is perverse.

There should be no muslim communities. There should be no black communities. There should be no off-limits areas.

But how to stop/reverse this I imagine is no easy task. No doubt the liberals will say you cannot stop people from choosing where they want to live. That this means you must accept defeat and embrace a patchwork Britain where if you are X, you can only live in A, C, or E.

But then if you aren't sufficiently liberal-minded to ignore the problems facing us then you are racist, facist, etc.
 
thing is , this didn't happen in the 60`s and 70`s - when those moving to the UK were wide eyed and hopeful , they came to work hard and have a new life ; those from the ME and the windies - and they did , work hard , pay taxes and try to intergrate with the locals.


now its different - parts of Bradford and leeds they don't speak English at all , same with tower hamlets etc. and yes , after dark in Forrest Fields in Nottingham , if you not muslim and Pakistani in origin or birth then you are a target.
 
Rwandan genocide was not a religious genocide?, holocaust was not one in the name of Christianity.
preaching is not forced conversion at the threat of death really is it?

I know what Rwanda was thanks. :)

You do know how much society has progressed in the last 200 years? PS, the Holocaust wasn't a religious war as you're making it out - wasn't at all Christians vs Jews. Unless you want to call Hitler a Christian (lol). Hitler believed in evolutionary racial superiority. Eugenics. That the Germans had evolved into a superior form of life than non-Germans.

I don't think you'll find that's a very Christian teaching. So using the Holocaust as an example of Christian brutality is weak.

Yet again, you find yourself incapable of accepting criticism of ISIS and their brand of Islam. Yet again you attack other religions and try to assert that radical Islam is not worse. It is worse. By several orders of magnitude.

Instead of just saying "Yup, some muslims are nutters and do evil things. We don't like them either and we're opposed to the Islamic State. We want no part of it."

But no, because I guess you aren't 100% opposed. Maybe you think an Islamic State is god's will? Maybe you accept that the violence is unsavoury, but the outcome will be in line with Alla's will?

Because don't muslims believe that everything that happens is god's will? Therefore I guess he condones ISIS and their methods? Maybe that's why you choose to deflect attention away from their crimes towards the Holocaust and other events?

You appear to completely misunderstand me, but then the xenophobic/racist goggles you both appear to have may be blinding you. The examples I posted in the quoted post were not posted as examples of fighting in the name of christianity, rather examples showing what that barbarism and extreme hatred is not just a muslim problem, rather it is agnostic, christians, Buddists (see the link I posed about Burman Buddists attacking Muslims) and other faiths and non believers can all commit gross acts of atrocity and horror. The fact many of the atrocities were committed by christians is just coincidence...

The example of the Holocaust is fairly apt as the excuses and arguments you are using are similar to those used by certain germans in the 1930's and 40's. Arguments of giant religious based conspiracies, allegiance to religion before nation and others are prime arguments used. I'll brandish the Godwin hard here...

Luckily for us not many people think like you do, otherwise the muslim equivalent of Kristallnacht may have already happened. Islamaphobia is already on the rise due to people like you not understanding the fundamental differences between radical muslims and the vast majority of normal muslims.

I believe you should re read my posts if you believe I am condoning ISIS, in fact i've argued quite the opposite in many of my posts. It is you however that appears to not be able to differentiate radical Islam followed by a very small proportion of Muslims and mainstream Islam. Radical Islam and ISIS is still a long way off either the Rwandan genocide of the Holocaust by sheer numbers killed.

You also appear to have another fundamental misunderstanding of what the Gaza protest was about and what protesting British Muslims would do. Considering ISIS are one group of Islam attacking another what do you think they think about the vast majority of British Muslims? Infidels...

Of course though, all Muslims are the same; backwards and murderous...
 
been to forrest fields and berridge road much? thought not.

yea my sister used to live in forest fields one street from gregory boulevard she recently moved back to bulwell but she never had any trouble

I grew up in snapewood , bullwell which has a reputation of it's own, no areas of notts are no go for whites, maybe no go for people who are posh like snapewood don't go there at night or you will get shot lol (you won't but you might get robbed if you are unlucky but most likely just intimidated by the gang of kids that hang out up there)

My dad grew up in st anns and hes white
 
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It is you however that appears to not be able to differentiate radical Islam followed by a very small proportion of Muslims and mainstream Islam.

I have personally stated very clearly that I acknowledge ISIS is not a representation of all Muslims, especially Westernised Muslims. That ISIS have taken their own interpretation of Islamic ways to an ugly extreme.

However, I think you are underestimating how many Muslims actually sympathise with their way of thinking. They are not a very tiny minority. They are a sizeable foce, a dangerous one.

Like I said in a previous post, ISIS maybe be at the extreme end. But stoning, beheading, FGM, death sentences for 'crimes' such as apostasy and adultery are very much the norm in Islamic states. This perhaps isn't Islamic extremism in comparison to ISIS, but it is very far removed from a peaceful, modern thinking religion, and very far from many Muslims in Western countires.

edit. But they are one of the 'younger' religions, if you believe in all that. Guess they need time to grow and get up to speed.
 
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I don't understand the mentality of some people on here.

People who are speaking out against ISIS' actions are being vilified and branded Islamaphobes / racists.

It seems to be the 'in' thing at the moment... anyone who speaks out against Muslims (in this case extremist nutcases who warp Islamic teachings to beyond recognition) is a racist and wrong.

No, people are speaking out against ISIS and others are speaking out against Muslims in general, lumping anyone with an Islamic persuasion into one group....

The former is fine, and what most of the rational people are saying in this thread. The latter is islamaphobia...

No one is saying they support ISIS or that they think they should carry on. It's only on your minds...
 
One day, when places like Birmingham are entirely off-limits to non-muslims, it'll stop being funny.

When the ideals of multiculturalism clash against the reality of segregation and division. When violence between insular and opposing communities becomes the everyday reality on Britain's streets. When that day comes I'm not sure there will be anything funny about it.

Let's face it, the idea that totally dis-similar cultures, beliefs, and moral codes can integrate is an absurd one. And the experiment of unrestricted multiculturalism is an utter failure.

Some cultures integrate better than others.

Some cultures do not integrate, will not integrate, and have every intention of keeping themselves separate from their hosts.

And there we go... Your argument has nothing to do with ISIS, everything to do with islamaphobia/racism and xenophobia. Stop trying to use Iraq as a cover.
 
And there we go... Your argument has nothing to do with ISIS, everything to do with islamaphobia/racism and xenophobia. Stop trying to use Iraq as a cover.

And the next ultra-liberal cliche arrives. It's not Islamaphobic/Racist to be concerned about young British Muslims going off to jihad in Iraq/Syria and then come back brutalised and radicalised and what the potential consequences are for community cohesion in the future UK.
 
Ugh the tone of your post is a bit Justin Raimondo.

You can't destabilize and already unstable region, people bang this drum all the time on here its so tedious.

Sorry but he's totally correct, if we (the west) hadn't removed Saddam and damaged Assad then ISIS wouldn't even exist. If we hadn't removed Gadaffi then Libya would not have descended into tribal civil war. If we had not destabilised Afghanistan to cause problems for the USSR the would have been no al-Qaeda or 9/11. And if we had not destabilised Iran we would probably still have good relations with them.

Virtually any problem the west has with the middle east is always mostly of it's own making.
 
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