Soldato
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Sorry my mistake.
ISIS and Islamic militants - discussion
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I think you're having difficulty reading, they left because of aggression towards them by Muslims which was caused by the (Christian) west launching an illegal war in their country, killing hundreds of thousands and royally screwing it up (not to mention the oil).
You can try and blame it on the Muslims but we all know anyone would have reacted the same.
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Lol
You just don't get it.
Who is persecuting them? The west ? No it is not.
Islam blaming the west for their evil deeds for 1400 years.
Lol
It's actually pretty simple, they perceived they were attacked and victimised by the west (who are mostly Christian) and so they turned their anger on the Christians in their own country, whether they were right or wrong in that perception is irrelevant to what we were discussing, if the west had not acted as it did against Iraq then the Christians would not have been driven out and their numbers would be even higher today.
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You know what you would have had a serious reply if it wasn't for your last paragraph.
I wish you a trip to the Islamic state so you can have first hand knowledge of Islam.
Oh and Allah u Akbar.
It was a genuine question through and through. Not just for you but for all uk muslims. You live here, we need to know how you feel about the laws in this country and others because as a voter you msy be able to influence things and it's interesting to see how you'd like to see these influenced.
Why can't you give me a straight answer?
Do you use that same line whenever someone predicts what might happen in the future? Using trends and statistical data?
Whether they be talking about population growth, sales, the weather?
It is actually quite possible to accurately predict the future. Welcome to the 21st century.
I get the general feeling here that a lot of people's views are:
'Well the West started it all. They are just reacting back. So it's justified. Their religion states that they can opress women and treat them as 2nd class citizens, it also states that Muslims should go out and kill / terrorise non-believers, that these blasphemers should be stoned/hung/beheaded in public, by their peers. If the West had not interferred in their barbaric and draconian ways all would have been fine and the ME would be a lovely peaceful place. We did it hundreds of years ago, so it's fine. Yes their ways are a bit violent, bit extreme, but its ok, as it's their way of life, their religion.
P.S. The West are baddies'
Or did I miss something?
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'Well the West started it all. They are just reacting back. So it's justified. Their religion states that they can opress women and treat them as 2nd class citizens, it also states that Muslims should go out and kill / terrorise non-believers, that these blasphemers should be stoned/hung/beheaded in public, by their peers. If the West had not interferred in their barbaric and draconian ways all would have been fine and the ME would be a lovely peaceful place. We did it hundreds of years ago, so it's fine. Yes their ways are a bit violent, bit extreme, but its ok, as it's their way of life, their religion.
P.S. The West are baddies'
Or did I miss something?
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Sure we have a good law and order system. That doesn't stop 40% of muslim students wanting to replace it with Sharia tho, does it?
In some places, you already see groups of muslim "enforcers" (just like ISIS is doing atm in Syria), roaming the streets and cracking down on anyone who isn't adhering to their strict interpretation.
Can't deny it, because it's widely reported.
See this is the problem. Islam is a system of religion + governance + its own laws - not just a religion. If you're muslim, you're not going to settle for a compromise of western society + a little bit of islam + western democracy + western law.
Because the ideal for a muslim is always Islam + Shariah + caliph, etc. Anything else is a temporary measure while you wait patiently for the islamic revolution.
Not really, I'll try and dissect/explain:
I don't think anyone is saying that, however I do think they should be cut some slack as the west's interference has caused problems in many ME countries. Iraq, Iran, Afghan, Libya, Syria and more would all be better off right now had we not interfered with them in (relatively) recent times.
I'm a Christian, my religion tells me the same thing, but I don't practice it just like the vast majority of Muslims don't.
Iraq and Libya may not have been paradise before we stuck our noses in however they were far safer, ordered and less barbaric. Iran and Afghan were significantly less "barbaric" and while it's a stretch to say they would be "fine" without western meddling they would probably be on par with Brazil/India as emerging states go. Syria is currently descending into barbarism and becoming a worse and worse place to live due to western meddling.
I don't recall anyone making this justification but I certainly disagree with it.
Not baddies, just not the shining heros the western governments purport to be.
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You sound like you need educating on Iraq a little bit.
Maybe you'll listen to someone who has been there?
I am far from religious, does the bible really say treat women this way? From school, what I can remember from the rare time in RE i actually took notice, is that it harped on about treating those equally, treateth others as you would like them to you? or something?
Probably the only part of your breakdown I stronlgy disagree with (the 'just like the vast majority of Muslims don't.'). Yes Muslims in Western societies don't, but over in the ME women are a far cry from equal in the majority of countries, with there being far more Muslims over there than in the West.
Surprised the Arab Spring hasn't been mentioned yet. ME and heavily Muslim countries are, evidently, fed up with being ruled by tyranny. How do these countires get rid of Tyrants (who have all the power, military, money) without Western intervention? We may destabalise countires in the process, but to give these people a fighting chance something has to be done (what's that saying, you can't build a house on old bricks?), it may not work out as planned sometimes, possibly because so many people in these countires are conflicted, they don't want a tyrant but that's all they are use to. They want a democracy and a West way of life but it is strongly against their beliefs. This hesitation give opportunists like ISIS the time to take advantage...
Thanks.
Now use your statistical data and my recent post history....predict my next post.
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Most likely more rubbish.
edit. damn it wouldn't let me use my word of choice
George Galloway is your God
Looks like I should go into fortune telling...
Now if you don't mind, me and uber are having a nice discussion. Feel free to join in if you have anything decent to say, I won't hold my breath though.
This weeks Euromillions numbers will be:
2 7 23 37 41 Lucky Stars 5 and 7
Will have to play these now because if they actually come in I will hang myself.
Making something fit to to suit your own agenda......Ive seen this before, a people who follow a certain book, they claim their book predicted events of the future.
Ok bro. You have proved me right once, no need to do it again. I wasn't making anything 'fit an agenda' your next post was genuinely rubbish and not worth the internet space it took up.
Please take your ramblings elsewhere.