ISIS and Islamic militants - discussion

ubersonic said:
I think you're having difficulty reading, they left because of aggression towards them by Muslims which was caused by the (Christian) west launching an illegal war in their country, killing hundreds of thousands and royally screwing it up (not to mention the oil).

You can try and blame it on the Muslims but we all know anyone would have reacted the same.
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You seem to be suffering massively from dillusion.

Would the uk have a justified position to go around beheading muslims because they are beheading Christians?

I think not. The concept, 'live and let live' is simply a foreign concept to most muslims it seems.
 
The Running Man said:
You seem to be suffering massively from dillusion.
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Not really, though it may appear that way as you don't seem to be reading what I write, just quoting it then writing something pretty unconnected.


The Running Man said:
Would the uk have a justified position to go around beheading muslims because they are beheading Christians?
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Of course not, just like Muslims wouldn't if the roles were reversed, what a strange analogy...

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I think some of your misunderstanding as to what I wrote could be explained by reading more of the conversation (as one part of a conversion out of context may be hard to understand what's being talked about), here's a later reply to that guy:

ubersonic said:
It's actually pretty simple, they perceived they were attacked and victimised by the west (who are mostly Christian) and so they turned their anger on the Christians in their own country, whether they were right or wrong in that perception is irrelevant to what we were discussing, if the west had not acted as it did against Iraq then the Christians would not have been driven out and their numbers would be even higher today.
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Yes and what if we perceive those attacks on Christians in iraq to be barbaric and decided to answer in kind by killing uk muslims in reprisal?

Had the iraqi people/ muslims not completely misunderstood the west's intentions then non of this would have occurred?

Because muslims take everything as a personal attack on them and their religion what can we do/not do that isn't going to generate ill will towards us?
 
tbyeah said:
You are spouting rubbish. All Muslims want orthodox Islam enforced? No, no they don't. Several prominent Muslims speak out against this regularly.
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Let's have some stats then, shall we? We'll see who is spouting rubbish.

There are currently at least 85 Shariah courts in the UK. Fact.
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3682/uk-sharia-courts

Now let's look at some more stats. The number of muslims who think Shariah is the word of God.
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And then the number who want Shariah as the law of the land.
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This is the conclusion of this study - not my words:

The level of commitment to the faith, as Pew notes, impacts views on legality. Generally speaking, the more Muslims pray and engage in the faith, the more likely they are to support shariah becoming the law of the land.
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Basically, as said earlier, the only moderate muslims are essentially the non-practicising muslims. The more they embrace their faith, the more they are likely to favour Shariah, and the more "extreme" they become to non-muslims.
 
KIA said:
Christians in the Caliphate: The Islamic State (Part 4)

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Profoundly scary stuff, that.

Those poor kids sitting there having their brains wiped in the occupied church. They really will grow up to believe that religion itself is little more than war - death to all who oppose.
 
Pestilence said:
Profoundly scary stuff, that.

Those poor kids sitting there having their brains wiped in the occupied church. They really will grow up to believe that religion itself is little more than war - death to all who oppose.
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It's amazing how dedicated these nut-jobs are. And how warped their minds are. I hate to think of them as human beings.

"The Christians wanted this agreement; they asked for it. We said, 'Convert to Islam, pay the tax, or we will kill you.' They chose to pay the tax."

So basically, they argue, that given a choice between death and X, if you choose X, then you fully consent to X.

That's the kind of logic these people are using.
 
ubersonic said:
So their god told them everyone else should pay them money? Did they convert to Judaism? :P
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ALLAH (or whatever their god is called): MY WORD IS ABSOLUTE!! KILL THE HEATHENS!!!!!! NON-BELIEVERS WILL BURN IN HELL!!! ISLAM WILL RULE!!

...unless they give you money. then they're cool. k.
 
This is hillarious. Firstly, this muslim guy wants to kill David Cameron...
http://themuslimissue.wordpress.com...in-is-next-you-will-all-die-sharia-will-rule/

Why so funny? Well, apparently Dave absolutely loves muslims. He can't have read the employment stats from earlier in the thread, because here our Dave is piling praise on muslims for "starting businesses, working the hardest, rising to the top, being the most generous, leading the country, protecting churches..."

Get this, he even actually says he wants muslims to take the top jobs in the armed forces. Why? To combat Islamophobia, of course!

But sadly for Dave they want to kill him anyhow, for being the great satan that he (and every westerner) really is. Here's Cameron, campaigning for muslim votes:

David Cameron said:
Thank you for having me here tonight.
There are 2 reasons why I think an event like tonight is so important.
First, this is about celebrating the huge contribution Muslims make to Britain.
Second, events like this challenge the narrow, intolerant view about Muslims and about Islam that still exists in parts of our country today.
And I’d like to say a word on each.
First, celebrating excellence.
I’ll take any chance to champion the massive contribution that British Muslims make in our country.
I see it every single day:
I turn on the radio – and it’s Mishal Husain presenting the Today programme.
I go to Parliament – and it’s Sayeeda Warsi, Sajid Javid, Tariq Ahmad and Mohamed Sheikh representing us on the government benches.
And when I go to Europe, yes I see Syed Kamall, not just a British Muslim in the Conservative Party in Brussels, but leading the Conservative Party in Brussels in the vital work in the European Parliament.
I visit the businesses that are bringing growth back to Britain – and its Muslim firms that are innovating and working all the hours they can.
I get home and read the back pages of the newspapers – and it’s Amir Khan fighting for those titles, Mo running for those golds, and Muslim Premier League stars scoring those goals.
This is something we should celebrate in our country tonight. But we should be absolutely clear; the job has not been done. There are still glass ceilings and walls we need to break down in our country so that talented Muslims from every community, in every part of our community can make it to the top. To the top in politics; to the top in the army; to the top in the judiciary; to the top in the media; to the top in the police. That is what I want to see in our country and when we achieve that we’ll be a truly diverse and equal nation.
But when we celebrate the contribution of British Muslims it’s not just those in the spotlight.
Muslims give more to charity than any other faith group.
And they play a huge role in our communities, day in, day out.
This winter I’ve been up and down the country visiting places that have been devastated by flooding.
We saw the worst of weather, but the best of Britain.
And the Muslim community certainly did their bit.
Like the young Muslims from Huddersfield. They got together with other faith and voluntary groups, they laid sandbags in Worcester, protected a church in Surrey from the deluge and showed above all that our British community spirit could never be dampened.
And tonight this year is a particularly poignant year to be remembering the Muslim contribution to Britain.
It is nearly a century since the outbreak of the First World War. We’ll be commemorating that in August.
More than a million servicemen from an undivided India fought for Britain.
Hundreds of thousands were Muslim.
The sepoys poised with their guns, holding the lines from the Western Front to the Middle East.
They showed outstanding courage like the first South Asian winner of the Victoria Cross, Khudadad Khan.
Many thousands lost their lives, fighting for the freedom that we enjoy today.
So tonight we should remember them and all those British Asians and Muslims who serve in our Armed Forces because their legacy, their work, is our liberty.
Second, let me say this.
We need to keep on challenging the intolerant view of Muslims that exists in some parts of our country.
That is why I have done more than any other government to try and tackle Islamophobia:
We set up a cross-government working group on tackling anti-Muslim hatred – no government has done that before.
We helped set up a service for people to report anti-Muslim attacks – again, no government has done that before.
And of course, we launched Srebrenica Memorial Day, to educate the next generation about the terrifying, tragic consequences of hatred.
But these are just the basics.
Really tackling Islamophobia means making absolutely sure that no person is held back from living their life or reaching their goals simply because of the faith they follow.
So yes – we’re delivering on Sharia-compliant student loans, Help to Buy deposits and entrepreneur funds.
And yes – we aim to be the first country in the West to offer an Islamic bond: a Sukuk and I’m so proud of that.
And let me make absolutely clear that, while I’m Prime Minister of this country, Halal is safe in Britain.
It is all part of this government’s overriding aim: to remove the barriers that stop people playing their part in society and give everyone, whatever their background, the opportunities they need to get on in life.
So those unsung heroes – let’s sing their praises.
Their huge contribution to Britain – let’s put it in the spotlight.
The intolerance that blights people’s lives – let’s stamp it out once and for all.
And together, let’s celebrate all that’s great about Britain’s Muslims.
Thank you – and above all well done to all those who have taken part tonight, all those who will win, but all those who have been nominated and to the organisers for laying on such a splendid evening.
Thank you very much indeed.
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Poor Dave. Unrequited love is such a drag.

Interesting to note, there are currently no mainstream parties - including UKIP - who think the rise of Islam in this country (and Europe) is anything but totally fine.

Meanwhile, American commentators, joined with those in other European countries, are worried that the UK is not doing enough to combat muslim non-integration and Islamification of the country.

Little wonder that, according to a poll conducted by the Sun, 48% of Brits were considering leaving the country. Concerns about immigration, and abuse of benefits ranked highly. (25% of muslims are claiming disability).
 
A rather creepy thought I had at lunch time; I bet Osama bin Laden is smiling in his watery grave at all this slaughter and misery.
 
FoxEye said:
This is hillarious. Firstly, this muslim guy wants to kill David Cameron...
http://themuslimissue.wordpress.com...in-is-next-you-will-all-die-sharia-will-rule/

Why so funny? Well, apparently Dave absolutely loves muslims. He can't have read the employment stats from earlier in the thread, because here our Dave is piling praise on muslims for "starting businesses, working the hardest, rising to the top, being the most generous, leading the country, protecting churches..."

Get this, he even actually says he wants muslims to take the top jobs in the armed forces. Why? To combat Islamophobia, of course!

But sadly for Dave they want to kill him anyhow, for being the great satan that he (and every westerner) really is. Here's Cameron, campaigning for muslim votes:

Poor Dave. Unrequited love is such a drag.

Interesting to note, there are currently no mainstream parties - including UKIP - who think the rise of Islam in this country (and Europe) is anything but totally fine.

Meanwhile, American commentators, joined with those in other European countries, are worried that the UK is not doing enough to combat muslim non-integration and Islamification of the country.

Little wonder that, according to a poll conducted by the Sun, 48% of Brits were considering leaving the country. Concerns about immigration, and abuse of benefits ranked highly. (25% of muslims are claiming disability).
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So what you're saying is because one bat **** insane Muslim wants to kill him, they all do?
 
estebanrey said:
So what you're saying is because one bat **** insane Muslim wants to kill him, they all do?
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Whilst those are the facts, we have one video with one guys thoughts, I highly doubt he is the only one.

I could be wrong however..

But, if you take the word of the Quran as gospel, because he isn't a Muslim, he should be killed.

... or he could pay monies.
 
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The day that all religions are classed as mythology, we will see a world become a little less secluded.

When all humans can stand together with a single belief in the power of men and not of Gods, we will realise our true potential.
 
estebanrey said:
So what you're saying is because one bat **** insane Muslim wants to kill him, they all do?
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No, that part was attempted humour ;)

The bit I was drawing attention to was Cameron's quotes from a speech he gave at a muslim function.

He seems to be in favour of "positive discrimination" towards muslims. "Breaking down barriers so muslims can take the top jobs."

His crap about cutting immigration is just that. Crap. Cameron is a believer in the great "multi-cultural" myth like every other politician.
 
Casdawer said:
The day that all religions are classed as mythology, we will see a world become a little less secluded.

When all humans can stand together with a single belief in the power of men and not of Gods, we will realise our true potential.
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Isn't that Star Trek?
 
Casdawer said:
The day that all religions are classed as mythology, we will see a world become a little less secluded.

When all humans can stand together with a single belief in the power of men and not of Gods, we will realise our true potential.
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:confused: Are you sure you mean secluded?
 
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