ISIS and Islamic militants - discussion
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Are you sure you mean secluded?
Will never happen. The younger generations are 'unintentionally' aware of the possibilities so will vote in numbers against it.
I say unintentionally because they are most likely just racist. So will just do everything within their power to not let this happen just because they are Muslim. Not do it because they are aware of the long term, possible, effects of a Muslim party gaining seats and getting into power. Things perhaps like the slow introduction of Sharia law. Or something similar to what they were doing in with the Birmingham schools but on a national scale. However if the yactually got into power they would be free to do what they want as it it what the 'majority' want.
*Please note that the above was all hypothetical.
You see the mood currently, with far-right parties storming across Europe and UKIP gaining popularity. That will grow in coming years imo.
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Fallacy.
Christianity is fastest growing religion in the world. Uk Muslim population is 2%
They just like to make you think they are more.
Once we get a back bone and deal with problem robustly without political correctness they will fade away in the UK.
It's a possibility. However, I fee either drastic change will happen, what with the election of a right-wing party, making the UK an undesirable place for minority groups.
Or, given time, the Muslim religion will grow and evolve and it will not be so extreme in nature. Therefore it will not be a massive scary problem if they got into power.
It is however highly unlikely. Islam makes up about 5% of the UK's current religious followings. In 2001 it was 2.7%.
The thing that annoys me is that you have websites like jihadwatch which have been warning of the dangers of groups like ISIS for years but yet it's pretty much been ignored because it's seen as racist to be suspicious and challenge extreme Islamism.
problem is scorza is no one in power dares do anything as they will probably lose a chunk of votes and be out, and on the flip side you have idiots like abbot, lammy and galloway. spouting all sorts of nonsense with backing from their respective constituents.
Islam will follow the same path all religions have.
In the ME there is less stability so power hungry groups are reaching for power and control the same way they, and most other countries, used to - religious mumbo jumbo to control the masses.
The region is still quite "tribal" in a way, so you have factions kicking off with each other simply for control of their assets under the excuse of "our beliefs are right, yours are wrong".
You still have the same thing going on in India and China, however they have a controlling authority which, for the majority, takes religion out of politics. I'm not saying their politics is not swayed by their culture and faith, but they concentrated on bringing their countries into the modern world.
In the ME where the existing authority was ousted we now see these "tribal" like groups going the manipulation and fear route like the 'good old days' to give themselves the control and power - using the more violent interpretations of Islam as their justification.
The majority of youth these days are turning away from their religion, all religions pretty much are follwoing this trait. But as the ME is being kept behind the times it's just taking a little longer for this attitude to spread. To say that Islam could one day be part of the rulling law in a western country is pretty far fetched and going against the trend.
In the ME there is less stability so power hungry groups are reaching for power and control the same way they, and most other countries, used to - religious mumbo jumbo to control the masses.
The region is still quite "tribal" in a way, so you have factions kicking off with each other simply for control of their assets under the excuse of "our beliefs are right, yours are wrong".
You still have the same thing going on in India and China, however they have a controlling authority which, for the majority, takes religion out of politics. I'm not saying their politics is not swayed by their culture and faith, but they concentrated on bringing their countries into the modern world.
In the ME where the existing authority was ousted we now see these "tribal" like groups going the manipulation and fear route like the 'good old days' to give themselves the control and power - using the more violent interpretations of Islam as their justification.
The majority of youth these days are turning away from their religion, all religions pretty much are follwoing this trait. But as the ME is being kept behind the times it's just taking a little longer for this attitude to spread. To say that Islam could one day be part of the rulling law in a western country is pretty far fetched and going against the trend.
haha serious? You do reaise the entire Islam vs the-daily-mail-reading-public pretty much stemmed from the global awareness and crack down on extremism in Islam. However the public perception has swayed from being against extremists and "terrorists" to being against Islam in general.
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So is pakistan run by extremist tribes?
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Just answer the question then we can make a point from your response?
It's crazy I have b&w who won't answer very simple questions either. But it would be nice to hear the truth.
It's crazy I have b&w who won't answer very simple questions either. But it would be nice to hear the truth.
Let's have some stats then, shall we? We'll see who is spouting rubbish.
There are currently at least 85 Shariah courts in the UK. Fact.
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3682/uk-sharia-courts
Now let's look at some more stats. The number of muslims who think Shariah is the word of God.
And then the number who want Shariah as the law of the land.
This is the conclusion of this study - not my words:
Basically, as said earlier, the only moderate muslims are essentially the non-practicising muslims. The more they embrace their faith, the more they are likely to favour Shariah, and the more "extreme" they become to non-muslims.
If you addressed what I was actually talking about it would help.
"the ideal for a muslim is always Islam + Shariah + caliph, etc."
Wrong. In 40 minutes a demonstration organised by Muslims is taking place outside 10 Downing Street for 2 hours (Solidarity Against IS).
So yes, you are spouting rubbish.
Frankly I don't like your assumptions about me and other Muslims, about our loyalties and the way you constantly try to make it a them and us issue. The way you try to make it sound as if we're part of the Borg collective. I am a single man and I only speak for myself.
I refuse to take part in your silly childish inquisition.
Do you have a link? I can only find one on a christian site.
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If I went to pakistan it would be them vs me. Same in iraq.
My question was pretty straight forward, what do you personally think of the laws and punishments in pakistan? You can speak quite freely because you are (presumably) not in Pakistan right now.
Majiid Nawaz is organising I believe (or if not, is very avidly promoting).
No it hasn't, and we've got to get away from this nonsense that challenging Islamic extremism is against Islam - it isn't. I know a few Muslims, some I like, some I'm not so keen on but the point is that if you ask them, they are all very critical of Islamic State and their followers.
I see our old friend Anjem Choudray has been at it again, distributing IS flyers in Oxford Street this afternoon and racially abusing a Muslim who challenged his mob. He needs to be silenced ASAP imo.