Arizona nine-year old in Uzi gun lesson accident
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Grow up.
Guns are okay if you're being paid to kill people with them, apparently.
Seems a little like selling your soul to me, mind.
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Using a crane as a trained professional to assist construction is okay. Driving a crane along the M25 for your daily commute probably isn't. Context, everything in its place.
Indeed, If you took the African Americans (and to a lesser extent, the Hispanics) out of the equation then the USA, despite pretty ubiquitous gun ownership, is actually only marginally more dangerous than the UK.
Indeed there are plenty of areas where gun ownership levels are high and crime levels are even lower than the UK. You just have to stay away from the ghettos.
Kids using guns itself isn't the problem, though I might suggest 9 is too young but I do agree that they shouldn't be playing with them as they aren't toys and you have to be responsible with them and respect the dangers, something this shooting instructor didn't.
What kind of person gives any child a loaded gun in the first place, that the Parents sanctioned this is bad enough, but that a professional trainer actually allowed it goes beyond all stupidity in my opinion. You do not need gun laws to know giving a 9 year old an Uzi is a stupid thing to do. A tragedy of their own making.
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This doesn't suprise me one bit after watching the Channel 4 program American Kids & Guns. On there an army veteran no less buys I think it was a .50 cal rifle for his 4 year old!! They set it up and the father is with the girl but even I know that the kick of that kind of gun is going to be monstrous and what do you know it kicks back and smacks the kid in the jaw and she then doesn't want to fire the thing again and says her jaw really hurts. I'm amazed it didn't break it!! Shame the father didn't have one ounce of bloody sense about what that kind of gun would be like to fire!!!
He also wanted to take his 4 year old out to hunt hogs when she had practiced for a week! Luckily he went to some gun camp run by a friend and was told he needed to start with a far less powerful gun to get her to enjoy shooting (well duh thats bloody obvious). Dumb people gonna do dumb things, or get the kids to do it for them!!
He also wanted to take his 4 year old out to hunt hogs when she had practiced for a week! Luckily he went to some gun camp run by a friend and was told he needed to start with a far less powerful gun to get her to enjoy shooting (well duh thats bloody obvious). Dumb people gonna do dumb things, or get the kids to do it for them!!
What's wrong with something like the above video? Correctly supervised with a low power bolt action rifle and taught safety without ammunition loaded first, firing at a target using a gun that you pretty much can't lose control of.
It's the specific gun used here and the fact it was set to automatic that was the dangerous part.
There is no reason why a 9 year old child needs to be taught how to fire a gun in the first place, when a child is a little older and has a proven level of maturity perhaps if you are into shooting for a sport then that is different. I disagree that it is just the actual choice of weapon and it's firing setting in this tragedy that is the issue, the age and maturity of the child, the choices of both the Parents and the Instructor are also factors here, more so than the choice of weapon in my opinion as without the choices made by those who should know better this would not have happened.
And I also disagree that there is such as thing as a loaded gun that a child cannot lose control of. The choices and reasoning ability for consequences of a 9 year old means that any loaded weapon, or any weapon at all is dangerous.
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Need has nothing to do with it, people do many things they don't need to do and you don't see people pointing those out. Of course the type of weapon is the issue, it's something with less surface areas to hold which results in less control, add in the recoil of automatic fire to the child not holding the gun tightly enough and you have this incident. It wouldn't have happened if it was on semi automatic, she wasn't standing up and obviously inexperienced with firearms.
How exactly would you say then that you could lose control of a bolt action rifle mounted on a bipod in a seated position? No one is going to be in front of the gun so I wouldn't class squeezing the trigger too hard and firing to the side a bit to be losing control and once that round is fired it won't fire again until you **** it so even if the gun jumped in the air after you fired it, it couldn't just shoot itself.
The fact that many children in America fire bolt-action and semi-automatic guns without losing control and killing someone in America seems to be a pretty good argument as to why the type of weapon and
firing mode does matter.
You have my opinion, and giving a range of "what might happen if x or y" isnt going to change yours. I think it is irresponsible to allow a child as young as 9 to fire a gun, no matter what type of gun it is...
How many schools have been shot up now in America? The fact all schools need an armed cop shows that the US is FAR more dangerous than the UK.
Not that many actually. Especially when one considers the combination of the relative availability of firearms, the size of the population and the poor record on mental health care that the US has.
Whilst a single nut job can do far more damage with a gun than he can with a knife, I dont imagine that the actual incidence of "Playground Stabbings" in the UK is that much lower than the incidence of "Playground Shootings" in the US
And while our schools do not have armed guards some certainly have "Security" and the metal detectors to go with it!