Greenlizard0 Weekend Football Thread ** spoilers ** [13th - 17th September 2014]

drunkenmaster said:
Yup, the only thing that can really screw them up is Mourinho deciding to go for cheap draws away at teams they can easily beat, Utd/Arsenal draws and the way he played was pretty pathetic. Went defensive against you guys too, right tactically but they won more through luck than quality/tactics.

City were good though and Chelsea were weaker last year, Matic only joined in Jan and they had a few weaknesses to be fixed and the lack of a truly top notch striker.

They waited and got the right players though and now have a just disgusting squad.
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The way they set up against us was understandable, they had already thrown the league with poor tactics and terrys og. Getting ready for their game against Atleti and just got a bit of luck with Steve's slip.

As you said though, the way they set up against Moyes' United in particular was woeful
 
Fulham 3-0 down at Reading. Is Magath actually still there, can't remember if he got fired or it was just talk after the last round of games. He can't be there for long surely. 6 games in 1 point and -10 goal difference, 4 worse than Blackpool though on the same points.
 
Snatching a draw from the jaws of victory.

Bad substitution from poch. Two players everyone knows are not good enough have cost him points. Davies should be an instant starter and playing Dembele up top would be better than playing dopey Kane.
 
2 goals for Schneiderlin in 31 games last year, 3 goals already this year. The first two were really good finishes, actually missed his goal, just saw the celebration. Think Spurs will struggle to get him next year, likely to be a lot of teams looking to buy him next summer. He was already good, if he can add goals to his game he'd be even better.

Brown with a nasty tackle which isn't surprising.
 
I'm all for poch coaching our players and moulding them, but he has to mould the right players. Rose, naughton, Kane, Townsend are all gash. Dump them and focus on players who have potential.
 
****ing horrific performance. No redeeming features.

Our central defenders have no pace, no positional sense, and don't seem to share any kind of understanding. How we failed to strengthen here is a mystery. Our full-backs are OK going forward but are suspect defensively and don't get enough support. Riviere...the team plays as if he doesn't exist. He wants to make runs in behind but the balls never come. When he drops deep with his back to goal there is no one running beyond him.

Neither are helped by our midfield, which has the incredible ability to provide no cover in defence and no support in attack. Gouffran offers nothing on the wing and seems to spend half the match deep in central midfield where he offers even less. Sissoko, who played well on the right for us and France last year, is played in attacking midfield but isn't intelligent or disciplined enough to do anything consistently useful and doesn't have enough space to use his greatest assets: pace and power. The one person who can play there, Cabella, is, like Ben Arfa, stuck out wide and drifts in and out of the game.

Pardew out, please.
 
drunkenmaster said:
Kagawa gets a goal in his first game back with Dortmund :p

Like the player a lot, still think Utd were mental to not use him more.
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He was put on the sidelines by Fergie.
The same happened with Moyes.
The same was going to happen with LvG.

When 3 managers in succession all feel that a player is not good enough, we need to accep that he wasn't good enough.
 
drunkenmaster said:
I thought when Chelsea bought Fabregas that if they sign any half decent striker they'd win the league,
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Of all the players I wanted Man Utd to buy, Fabregas was my favourite.
I was gutted when he when he went to Chelsea.
Fabregas would've been perfect in LvG's high possession, fluent passing system.

I know that some people believe that younger players are worth more, but I feel older players who are at their absolute peak are worth more, simply because they can have immediate (almost guaranteed) impact.

Fabregas was a bargain for £30M and with Mourinho at the helm (and with Torres gone) Chelsea should find it easy to win the league this year and next. Torres was the one reason Chelsea could falter. With him gone, I can't see how anybody can beat Chelsea this year.

Needless to say that I have Chelsea envy. :p
 
sunama said:
He was put on the sidelines by Fergie.
The same happened with Moyes.
The same was going to happen with LvG.

When 3 managers in succession all feel that a player is not good enough, we need to accep that he wasn't good enough.
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No thanks, I don't need to accept anything. Fergie didn't really use him, even Moyes didn't have an in form Kagawa and LVG certainly didn't.

If a player hasn't played first team football with any consistency, confidence or support for a couple of years they aren't going to be at their best. Under Fergie he did get games but he didn't get long runs of games, rarely in his best position but also with a team playing ever worse. He wasn't remotely close to his best form by the time Moyes took over and Moyes decided to bring a lapdog with him to Utd(lots of managers bring a player over with them to have someone they know in the team) who though not good, his position was pretty much attacking midfield as well.

Personally I think the team playing differently(and likely better) could have utilised him effectively whenever they wanted to. Sticking with Rooney, then buying Fellaini and following that up with an expensive and higher wage Mata pretty much sealed Kagawa's fate.

If there was one player out of Mata/Kagawa to get rid of financially there was only one answer, and only one player teams actually wanted to buy.

Good players leave teams all the time for reasons other than quality.

Utd had too many, frankly crap players, playing a completely different type of football to Kagawa. Young, Valencia, Carrick, Fellaini, Rooney. This isn't a team of brilliant interplay, masterful passing, epic movement. It suits neither Kagawa or Mata.

Thing is LVG will likely attempt to get them playing better football, largely through buying better players who would link up well with Kagawa, but financially speaking he had to go because there weren't any buyers for a £35mil lazy Mata who is on the wages he was on.
 
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