Nation of meat eating animal lovers?

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I can't express my true sentiments (damn swear filter :D). All I can say having read that thread (well some of it) is clearly a fruit diet does not allow for increases in strength at least compared to someone with a balanced diet(or even a bad diet).

However from the small sample available I've deduced that eating fruit primarily has a substantial negative effect on IQ :D.

Can a mod delete his "expert advise" before someone reads it and kills themselves.

Honestly think he needs to get a MOT I'm not convinced it can be healthy.
 
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Nate Silvers said:
Valid question, that's what most people who haven't tried it and felt the results ask. I eat more than 80% total calories from simple sugars, glucose and fructose (in fruit).

An insane amount is a relative term. An insane amount compared to our needs? No. Insane amounts compared to what most people consume? Yes. If you want the same health as most people have to be chronically ill for almost 30 years and then bit by bit watch your health go out in parts. Then suffer from degenerative, eventually pathogenic conditions. Then do what everybody else does and get the same results as everybody else.

If you're willing to be brave enough to be different from everybody else, then you might actually be willing to follow the guidelines that nature has already shown us. The creatures that are anatomically and physiologically similar to us, consume MASSIVE quantities of carbs.

The creatures most closely mimicking our genetic intelligence and other abilities, physiology and anatomy in design are the Bonobo. They consume over 80% of their total calories from carbs.

Anatomically, physiologically you can take parts from THEM and put in US. They match up.

Animals that are anatomically, physiologically similar to us thrive on similar foods as us. If we don't know what we're suppose to really eat we can get a pretty good idea by looking at the creatures that are built like us.

And yeah I know chimpanzees have been recorded as eating meat now and then but if we look at their overall diet less than 1% of their total calories comes from meat. Look at their overall diet again in terms of caloric nutrient ratio, close to 80% of their total calories comes from carbs.

It's an inarguable position.
It makes sense from science.
It makes sense from nature.
It makes sense from ecology.
It makes sense from health.

And it makes sense in every way we care to pursuit it including most of all perhaps, the pleasure of getting to eat the most delicious foods on the planet.

Fruit.
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Wrong, seen as other species don't share the same major histocompatibility molecules as us. Keep your strange pseudoscience to yourself mate.
 
Mynight said:
Am I missing something or is he literally just eating fruit with some seriously questionable science backing his claims?
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The guy isn't quite all there, it's been a long running fad of his. He is beyond reasoning and in denial of any sound, scientific and proven advice. So it's best to just politely nod, moving on and wishing him luck with his deficient based lifestyle.
 
I find it funny that veggies vegans weird people want to impose their strange views onto others. You eat what you want to eat and we will eat what we want to eat. if you want to be a Bonobo so be it, we'll stick to being human.
 
spoffle said:
Gold top makes blue top taste like chalk water, how does gold top compare to "raw" milk?
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To be honest, not much difference, but you sort of taste more "cow" through the milk - a bit like goat's cheese smells and tastes (delicious) but somewhat more like it is a product of an animal. In fact think of unpasteurised cheeses you get, but it's just less tart.

I once tried it raw straight from a cow that had just been milked, it was warm, and bitty, and I must admit it wasn't very enjoyable. Chilled and filtered (not pasteurised) was much nicer. It tasted like very very creamy milk, but with a HUGE amount of flavour.
 
Does the insane amount of fiber not help to slow the insane amount of sugars ingested when consuming an insane amount of fruit? Is this not why there are not an insane amount of fat, fruit eating, people?


Hey. How can one persons body live on nothing but whales and be totally healthy [and be regarded as totally okay and healthy] but another person who is living by eating only fruit [and is totally healthy] be regarded as not being okay.

I don't get that. From a health perspective anyway.
 
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ShaolinDreams said:
I find it funny that veggies vegans weird people want to impose their strange views onto others.
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That's not really a like for like comparison.

It's 'imposing' on the behalf of a third party, vegans/vegetarians don't actually care what you eat, they care about what is killed to make that food.

A closer comparison is when a secularist for example, speaks out against religious practices which result in the suffering of another - it's not about curtailing the freedoms/choices of the abuser, but the defence of the third party.

Not that I particularly agree with proselytising against meat eaters, mostly because it's utterly pointless & people get hugely defensive around the subject of food.

On the subject of a fruit based diet, so far I'm not convinced.

To eat a varied mix of proteins, fats, fibres & carbohydrates requires in my part quite a bit of thought & diversity to maintain what I consider to be a healthy balance. To ensure I get a sufficient intake of vitamins & minerals requires far more complexity than used to eat as a meat eater.
 
BunnyKillBot said:
Free range itself is a barely defined marketing term and is utterly meaningless. Morrisons sell two different products, free range and free-to-roam, with the later 'forage in woodland eating bugs and grubs' is the welfare ideal.
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Free-range is actually very well defined;
DEFRA said:
Barn
The barn system has a series of perches and feeders at different levels. The maximum stocking density is 9 birds per square metre and there must be at least 250cm square of litter area/bird. Perches for the birds must be installed to allow 15 cm of perch per hen. There must be at least 10cm of feeder/bird and at least one drinker/10 birds. There must be one nest for every 7 birds or 1 square metre of nest space for every 120 birds. Water and feeding troughs are raised so that the food is not scattered

Free range
In free-range systems, the birds are housed as described in the barn system above. In addition birds must have continuous daytime access to open runs which are mainly covered with vegetation and with a maximum stocking density of 2,500 birds per hectare.

In all systems the birds must be inspected at least once a day. At the end of each laying period the respective houses are completely cleared and disinfected.

All EU requirements for the above systems can be found in Council Directive 1999/74/EC, Commission Regulation (EC) No 589/2008 and Welfare of Farmed Animals (England) Regulations 2007:

Council Directive 1999/74/EC of 19 July 1999 laying down minimum standards for the protection of laying hens
Commission Regulation (EC) No 589/2008 of 23 June 2008 introducing detailed rules for implementing Council Regulation(EC) No.1234/2007 as regards the marketing standards of eggs
The Welfare of Farmed Animals (England) Regulations 2007
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So Organic eggs must meet those requirements PLUS the extra organic rules;
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Organic
Organic systems are similar to those of free range however the guidelines for the birds and their feed are more stringent. The pullets must be raised by certified organic production methods from birth. The layers are required to have outdoor access all year round, or be fed sprouted grains for the period when indoors and all feed must be certified organic. No antibiotics or meat by-products are allowed in the feed and each bird is required to have 2 square feet of floor space.
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So, in summary, Organic is a real thing and not just a made-up marketing term. Welfare is actually above and beyond free-range, for eggs at least.
 
What comparison are you talking about? Elmarko have you spoken to all the vegetarians i have spoken to no you havent, so you cant say they dont actually care because a lot of them do. And how can they not care what we eat but care what we kill? We eat meat so obviously an animal has to be killed, like a plant is killed to make your salad. We eat lifeforms in order to exist. Again what comparison are you talking about i made no comparison of anything. Not really sure what you are talking about sounds like a bunch of gobbledygook mate.
 
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