ISIS and Islamic militants - discussion

Thanks for assuming i don't know my subject matter, but i can speak for myself thanks.

Again, the types of the time, and some of them have helpfully been mentioned by other posters, were not able to carpet bomb anything.

Sorry but you're making the same mistake others did, carpet/saturation/area bombing may have been significantly more impressive towards the end of WW2 than earlier in history but it doesn't mean it didn't happen, it simply wasn't called carpet bombing them because the wasn't a phrase for it yet (I'm sure I mentioned this earlier).


The term you used evokes images of WWII area bombing by the heavy bombers of the time carrying loads in excess of 4,000lbs and in numbers in the hundreds.

Maybe, for somebody my age it invokes images of a US B52 or B1 or the like raining down cluster bombs in desert storm or something, but just because a lot of people associate those WW2 images with the term doesn't make them exclusive of it.


97 tons of bombs in a campaign is not carpet bombing.

Correct but it was then.


RAF Bomber command was dropping over 2,000 tons of bombs on German cities in a single night. That is area bombing. Not flimsy WWI era biplanes operating in numbers in the single figures.

Pfft, the USA dropped over 20,000 tons of bomb on Nagasaki in one night, that doesn't mean the bombing of German cities wasn't carpet bombing, hell the USAAF dropped almost 40,000 tons of bombs on Berlin, Cologne and Hamm nearing the end of the war, like I said earlier the tonnage is irrelevant it's the method that's important.


Also, carpet bombing literally new phrase ? Its over 70 years old.

Autocorrect fail, it's supposed to say relatively, hope that sentence makes sense now.
 
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Thanks for assuming i don't know my subject matter, but i can speak for myself thanks.

Again, the types of the time, and some of them have helpfully been mentioned by other posters, were not able to carpet bomb anything.

The term you used evokes images of WWII area bombing by the heavy bombers of the time carrying loads in excess of 4,000lbs and in numbers in the hundreds. You specifically mentioned carpet bombing cities which is again evocative of WWII area bombing. This expressly did not occur in the 1920's in Iraq. Its nonsense to say otherwise.

Oh, and before you trot out something about bombing raids on villages, nice try but still not carpet bombing. 97 tons of bombs in a campaign is not carpet bombing. RAF Bomber command was dropping over 2,000 tons of bombs on German cities in a single night. That is area bombing. Not flimsy WWI era biplanes operating in numbers in the single figures.

Also, carpet bombing literally new phrase ? Its over 70 years old. Pretty sure i can dig out some 1940's primary sources that use the phrase, if i could spare the effort......

Anyway, you go back to arguing on the internet, i'm going for a run :)

Hmm... at the peak of the campaign there was ~30 planes dropping upto 550 bombs a day in multiple run on large settlements. I think that relatively speaking thats pretty much carpet bombing. (There was 4 squadrons of between 9 and 12 planes each stationed there at the time with many of them being DH9As).
 
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...heir-minds-and-want-to-come-home-9789547.html

Two silly wee lassies who ran off from their homes in Austria to become jihadi brides now appear to have changed their minds. Bit late now darlings init? If I were Austrian there's no way I'd want four little jihadis back into my country. I believe these girls were from a Bosnian family, who probably went to Austria as refugees following the Yugoslavian civil war. Nothing like a bit of gratitude is there?
 
presumably now they have access to a base within 100km of the border we will see Helicopters being used..seems to me the ideal place to use Apaches at night to stop them bringing up reinforcements and supplies
 
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...heir-minds-and-want-to-come-home-9789547.html

Two silly wee lassies who ran off from their homes in Austria to become jihadi brides now appear to have changed their minds. Bit late now darlings init? If I were Austrian there's no way I'd want four little jihadis back into my country. I believe these girls were from a Bosnian family, who probably went to Austria as refugees following the Yugoslavian civil war. Nothing like a bit of gratitude is there?

Morons. I wish every red tape difficulty on their return to Austria. We should hit back on the social media campaign; Jihadzillas planning to join the cause? Here is your proof. :p
 
Dunno how much of its propaganda but a few videos emerging from Kobane of basically family units fighting against IS.

Kind of tragic if that is the reality of their way of life there.

(EDIT: Comes over a little more naively of the Kurdish way of life in recent history than I intended but seems to be pushed to even more extremes if the videos are more than spin)
 
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Two silly wee lassies who ran off from their homes in Austria to become jihadi brides now appear to have changed their minds. Bit late now darlings init? If I were Austrian there's no way I'd want four little jihadis back into my country. I believe these girls were from a Bosnian family, who probably went to Austria as refugees following the Yugoslavian civil war. Nothing like a bit of gratitude is there?

Blow 'em to smithereens.
 
And if they were your daughters ?

Indeed, a couple of silly immature girls have made a foolish mistake and now they are rotten to the core and deserve death & fire!!

But I'm not surprised by some of the cold, harsh responces, they have clearly shown in other threads they are completely devoid of any compassion or empathy!! And of course they were perfect when they grew up and NEVER made a significant mistake or bad decision :rolleyes:

THEY ARE KIDS FOR CHRIST SAKE!! Sort your head out, you are behaving in a heartless and soulless way just like the terrorists you despise so much!
 
Indeed, a couple of silly immature girls have made a foolish mistake and now they are rotten to the core and deserve death & fire!!

But I'm not surprised by some of the cold, harsh responces, they have clearly shown in other threads they are completely devoid of any compassion or empathy!! And of course they were perfect when they grew up and NEVER made a significant mistake or bad decision :rolleyes:

THEY ARE KIDS FOR CHRIST SAKE!! Sort your head out, you are behaving in a heartless and soulless way just like the terrorists you despise so much!

No, With respect, They are NOT!

A "Kid" is a Boy in shorts sucking on a lollipop or a Girl playing fantasy games with "My Little Pony"

These are intelligent and educated young adults (15 and 17 IIRC) who made their decision, and must now live with the consequences of it! the fact that they now (Allegedly!) regret it does not outweigh the very real risks that they present should they be allowed to return.

Even if these girls themselves are not a threat, establishing a legal pathway for "Returnees" to return home is dangerous since returnees present a very real route for allowing IS to build up cells in western Europe.

I would regard any returnees as a potential insurgent and subject to indefinite internment unless they can prove beyond doubt that they are not!

(If anybody wishes to put forward an example of what evidence might constitute such a proof, please be my guest, because I certainly can't think of one!)

The fact that these young women have publicised their desire to return home is highly suspicions to me! If it had been me I would have come home quietly with as little publicity as possible and handed myself in to the authorities once I had got home. Making a big thing of it like they have smells like part of an IS strategy to put the western world on the spot and to exploit our sympathies to embarrass us into accepting "Returnees" in ever increasing numbers as a method if spreading IS fanatics across western Europe and beyond!

(Clearly an effective one too if some of the posts in this thread are anything to go by! :/ )
 
15 and 17 year olds never make social mistakes... Are you really trying to claim that?

You are also suggesting they are guilty until proven innocent.

You're as backwards as those you hate.
The fact that these young women have publicised their desire to return home is highly suspicions to me! If it had been me I would have come home quietly with as little publicity as possible and handed myself in to the authorities once I had got home. Making a big thing of it like they have smells like part of an IS strategy to put the western world on the spot and to exploit our sympathies to embarrass us into accepting "Returnees" in ever increasing numbers as a method if spreading IS fanatics across western Europe and beyond!

Firstly it's no surprised it has skipped over your head - perhaps it's because they aren't trying to hide anything. If they were to "sneak" as you put it, back in that would be suspicious. They don't want to be suspicious.
 
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These are intelligent and educated young adults (15 and 17 IIRC) who made their decision, and must now live with the consequences of it!

I would regard any returnees as a potential insurgent and subject to indefinite internment unless they can prove beyond doubt that they are not!

Internment is the imprisonment or confinement of people, commonly in large groups, without trial, often in internment camps or concentration camps.

Personally i'd like to think we are still the good guys, im guessing it doesn't matter to you.
 
15 and 17 year olds never make social mistakes... Are you really trying to claim that?

social mistake is getting ****ed and mouthing off to a police officer or vandlising a car or cheating on your partner.

not going to ****ing war.

genuine question DJ, how many kids you know from school or your friends of friends went to fight a holy war in a foreign country and classed it as "oops kids mistake".

would you have ever considered it?
 
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