ISIS and Islamic militants - discussion
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Then there will be the human rights brigade banging the THEY TOOK OUR FREEDOMS drum.
Actually the program is already running, it's called Channel, i just want to see it extended to more people. At the moment it's too selective
I've not read the entire thread but think that the so called Peaceful Muslims should deal with this themselves, the US, UK and whoever else getting involved is just going to make things worse before it makes them better, a lot of the brainwashing thats being done uses "US" attacking "THEM" I should imagine, if "WE" arent involved and the "Peaceful Muslims" do some house cleaning then I think we'd all be better off...
http://i100.independent.co.uk/article/nus-will-condemn-israel-and-ukip-but-not-isis--lJLK98e7Ul
WTH is wrong with people these days. National Union of Students refuse to condemn Islamic State, despite condemning Israel (rightly so), UKIP and Labour MP for Tottenham, David Lammy.
WTH is wrong with people these days. National Union of Students refuse to condemn Islamic State, despite condemning Israel (rightly so), UKIP and Labour MP for Tottenham, David Lammy.
Here's a rather snarky question that I genuinely do not mean to be snarky, but I can't think of a way to ask it without it coming across that way, so I've added this arbitrary disclaimer and am just going for it...
Do the NUS "matter" ? Do they hold any kind of weight other than as a student body that, on the face of it, seems to be nothing but practice politics?
Do the NUS "matter" ? Do they hold any kind of weight other than as a student body that, on the face of it, seems to be nothing but practice politics?
From the very page I linked:
Which bit of that do you disagree with? Strange how no-one was worried about offending Jewish students when they condemned Israel.
Yes I think they do matter, especially since UK universities have been a fertile recruiting ground for Islamic extremism in recent years. A clear message needed to be sent that Islamic State is unacceptable and won't be tolerated on campus. That message was not sent.
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The problem is, we are not. Statistics from StopTheWar recently showed 98% of air strikes do not hit high profile targets, it is mostly civilian deaths, including many children.
This is real "terrorism". At any moment a bomb can fall out of the sky unannounced and kill your children, that is terror.
These are barbarous acts that we commit which cause this hatred towards us and pushes these disallusioned angry youths towards ISIS.
You don't end barbarism with more barbarism, especially not the kind that caused the problem in the first place.
So being dragged from your home by masked men at night, tortured and executed by crucifixion isn't real terrorism. Glad we cleared that up.
Islamic State have never claimed they're doing what they're doing to achieve justice for Muslims (neither did Al-Queda but that didn't stop their fifth column persuading significant swathes of the population of the need to pander to them). Islamic State is doing what it is doing because they believe they are better than everyone else - Shia Muslim, Christian, Yazidi etc - and it wants to live in a world without this kind of diversity.
I disagree with ? So it's not about the NUS now but about me.
You claimed they refused to condemn ISIS.
They did not refuse but wanted to make the wording more clear so that it does not unfairly demonize all muslims and just condemns ISIS who rightfully deserve to be condemned.
They are agreeing they deserve to be condemned ...how you cannot read that bit is beyond me.
They said they are going to do it in the next meeting in November....how can you call that a refusal ?
Are they not allowed to use their own words ?
They had a vote this month and voted against condemning Islamic State. Perhaps you could point me to the bit of the rejected condemnation that unfairly demonises all Muslims?
They said they are going to do it in the next meeting in November.
That is not refusal.
Also why ask me to point to the parts they disagree with ?
Why not do it in October when they had the opportunity? I'm asking you to point out the parts that unfairly demonise all Muslims because you're attempting to justify their decision not to pass that motion because it unfairly demonises all Muslims.
Technically they voted to hold off on condemning them until they could decide on appropriate wording, that's not a decision to not do it, if anything it's a decision too do it (eventually).
ISIS are abhorrent, I did not mean to give any impression to the contrary. As my closing line states, they are barbaric.
I just think we should look at why they have arisen and how they have gained so much traction with young Muslims. Our foreign policy is part of the reason why, we should not be commiting these horrendous acts to try to stop theirs.
Eh no. Has NOTHING to do with our foreign policy now or in the past.
Isis want a caliphate. They want to to have prophesy's in Koran come true and bring about the apocalypse.
They are not fighting for freedom, Justice or democracy in fact they are fighting for exact opposite.
They follow a very extreme version of Islam (Wahhabism) and everyone who is not a Sunni should either pay taxes, convert, die or flee.
They want a world caliphate.
did you read the bit in between them?
where one earth did the wording demonise Muslims?
Asd usual though with student politics cause the actual importance of it is pathetically low the arguing is particularly ferocious
I'm still waiting for someone to tell me why the wording of the motion is inappropriate. Amnesia seems to have suffered a meltdown thinking about it so maybe you can help?
Technically postponing something can be the same as refusing to do it now. If your Mum asks you to go to the shops and you say "do it tomorrow" you are refusing to do it now.