ISIS and Islamic militants - discussion

Dj_Jestar · 21 Oct 2014 at 14:17

John40 said:
The thing is every ex UK one that's killed will only encourage more to go over there.

The thrill of being in your own computer game is simply a massive pull for these immature muslims.

You mean like the same pull every single one of our soldiers had to join the armed forces?

Nutella33 · 21 Oct 2014 at 14:21

Dj_Jestar said:
You mean like the same pull every single one of our soldiers had to join the armed forces?

no offense but its not computer games that attract people to the armed forces, from what most people say its the money, get out of the area, family links or simply they like planes/ships/tanks. I've never heard anyone say CoD.

John40 · 21 Oct 2014 at 14:22

Dj_Jestar said:
Relishing in the death of your adversaries is the very definition of "barbaric."

I sense you have a feeling of compassion for ISIS - on what basis do you think they deserve respect.

robgmun · 21 Oct 2014 at 14:36

Dj_Jestar said:
Relishing in the death of your adversaries is the very definition of "barbaric."

i wonder what you'd call "empathising with monsters" then?

scorza · 21 Oct 2014 at 14:41

Dj_Jestar said:
You mean like the same pull every single one of our soldiers had to join the armed forces?

Thought you were done? Did you really just compare British jihadis with British soldiers?

Harlequin · 21 Oct 2014 at 14:41

Dj_Jestar said:
Relishing in the death of your adversaries is the very definition of "barbaric."

are you male? are you allready a follower of islam? (or a Christian or aethist) would you convert to ISIS interpretation of islam?

no?

then they kill you.

convert or die is ISIS mantra.

BuffetSlayer · 21 Oct 2014 at 14:53

John40 said:
I sense you have a feeling of compassion for ISIS - on what basis do you think they deserve respect.

We should mourn the death of British citizens as a sad loss.

Young impressionable people have been led astray since time began. We are clearly failing to address the problem. We are failing to tackle radicalisation. If you listen to the reasoning of a lot of these young men it is clear they are just parrots repeating whatever it is their radical preacher has convinced them of.

I am not pleased the guy is dead. I think it is a pity, and we should feel saddened by it. Saddened it has been allowed to happen. Saddened this individual had nothing more in his life to aspire to. Saddened he will never get the same 2nd chance that most adults have and be allowed to reflect on his behaviour in his younger years as being stupid and immature.

My condolences to his family, and the families of all British people who are dying in Syria.

scorza · 21 Oct 2014 at 15:01

BuffetSlayer said:
We should mourn the death of British citizens as a sad loss.

Young impressionable people have been led astray since time began. We are clearly failing to address the problem. We are failing to tackle radicalisation. If you listen to the reasoning of a lot of these young men it is clear they are just parrots repeating whatever it is their radical preacher has convinced them of.

I am not pleased the guy is dead. I think it is a pity, and we should feel saddened by it. Saddened it has been allowed to happen. Saddened this individual had nothing more in his life to aspire to. Saddened he will never get the same 2nd chance that most adults have and be allowed to reflect on his behaviour in his younger years as being stupid and immature.

My condolences to his family, and the families of all British people who are dying in Syria.

If a dog you love catches rabies then you take it to the vets and have it put down. It's sad but necessary for the greater good.

Dj_Jestar · 21 Oct 2014 at 15:01

Nutella33 said:
no offense but its not computer games that attract people to the armed forces, from what most people say its the money, get out of the area, family links or simply they like planes/ships/tanks. I've never heard anyone say CoD.

You've quoted the wrong person.

Dj_Jestar · 21 Oct 2014 at 15:03

John40 said:
I sense you have a feeling of compassion for ISIS - on what basis do you think they deserve respect.

I have a sense of compassion for all forms of life. To not would be barbaric.

Dj_Jestar · 21 Oct 2014 at 15:04

robgmun said:
i wonder what you'd call "empathising with monsters" then?

Dunno, ask someone who does. Try John40 - he seems to be passionate about seeing that some people are put to death.

Dj_Jestar · 21 Oct 2014 at 15:05

scorza said:
Thought you were done? Did you really just compare British jihadis with British soldiers?

Meh. Time to spare.

Yes, I did. In the context of what John40 said: Young men feeling the "pull" to fight. Care to add anything to that? Or are you just going to point out the obvious?

Housey · 21 Oct 2014 at 15:05

Mynight said:
Wonder how they found out .

I suspect there is a very clear direction from UK government. Remove this scum in theatre, we don't want them back, shoot to kill etc.

John40 · 21 Oct 2014 at 15:06

BuffetSlayer said:
We should mourn the death of British citizens as a sad loss.

Young impressionable people have been led astray since time began. We are clearly failing to address the problem. We are failing to tackle radicalisation. If you listen to the reasoning of a lot of these young men it is clear they are just parrots repeating whatever it is their radical preacher has convinced them of.

I am not pleased the guy is dead. I think it is a pity, and we should feel saddened by it. Saddened it has been allowed to happen. Saddened this individual had nothing more in his life to aspire to. Saddened he will never get the same 2nd chance that most adults have and be allowed to reflect on his behaviour in his younger years as being stupid and immature.

My condolences to his family, and the families of all British people who are dying in Syria.

Not one ounce of condemnation says all you need to know about your attitude to these barbarians.

Dj_Jestar · 21 Oct 2014 at 15:07

Harlequin said:
are you male? are you allready a follower of islam? (or a Christian or aethist) would you convert to ISIS interpretation of islam?

no?

then they kill you.

convert or die is ISIS mantra.

What did you think any of that would add to the discussion? Rabble rousing ad nauseam.

BuffetSlayer · 21 Oct 2014 at 15:07

scorza said:
If a dog you love catches rabies then you take it to the vets and have it put down. It's sad but necessary for the greater good.

Key word there is sad. I agree, once they get to the stage where they leave the country to fight, it may well be too late. That said, every young man does stupid and immature things. Doubly so if there are insidius and manipulating adults involved.

As we grow older we reflect on them and often feel ashamed or embarrassed.

My overall point is we are clearly failing to tackle this radicalisation and the deaths that it is causing. Should we honestly be celebrating the death of young British men? Or should we see it as a tragedy that could have been prevented?

balky12 · 21 Oct 2014 at 15:08

Dj_Jestar said:
I have a sense of compassion for all forms of life. To not would be barbaric.

I bet you were massively bullied at school, but probably didn't realise it.

Compassion for everyone... right.

Some people out there should not get anyones compassion. Disagree and you are, unfortunately, part of today's problem.

Dj_Jestar · 21 Oct 2014 at 15:08

scorza said:
If a dog you love catches rabies then you take it to the vets and have it put down. It's sad but necessary for the greater good.

Rabies is an incurable infection. Being ill-informed, lied to, brainwashed, whatever you want to call it is not. Drop the worthless comparisons.

BuffetSlayer · 21 Oct 2014 at 15:10

John40 said:
Not one ounce of condemnation says all you need to know about your attitude to these barbarians.

The fact I decline to mention ISIS at all and focus purely on the young indoctinated British men that are dying should tell you all you need to know about what I care about.

ISIS are not worth discussing. How we tackle the radicalisation of our young men and prevent their deaths is.

balky12 · 21 Oct 2014 at 15:11

Dj_Jestar said:
Rabies is an incurable infection. Being ill-informed, lied to, brainwashed, whatever you want to call it is not. Drop the worthless comparisons.

It's not a worthless comparisson at all. Think about it a bit more...

For someone to have the ability to go abroad and kill in the name of religion, imo, means there is something deeply rooted within the individual. It has just been brought out.

It's that deep rooted problem that is incurable.

Your average person would not go around killing in the name of some made up person, no matter how much 'brain washing' you tried.