Absolutely. And perhaps it's not a bad thing these fanatics are leaving the UK for that hell hole, thin 'em out a bit?
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Absolutely. And perhaps it's not a bad thing these fanatics are leaving the UK for that hell hole, thin 'em out a bit?
Honestly, i'm not as scared as i used to be and i see that a lot of people are getting braver as well. BNP has done so much damage that they even made flying the UK flag racist.
Not anymore, "racist, bigot and islamaphobe" are words that are so overused that they virtually have become meaningless. They can shout it to the roof tops and more and more people are beginging to just shrug their shoulders at it and wonder when they'll actually start debating
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Theres nothing wrong with a good healthy debate Rob mundy. But scaremongering with anti-islamic bigoted views is what people like you and certain named individuals here have started to excel at. You'll notice the regulars here who get involved with healthy debates don't frequent this thread anymore, as its just a load of rantings left.
You don't know me at all, don't pretend as if you do. If you did, you would see that I am probably the furthest away from being 'radacilised' as you call it. Nowadays just being Muslim is good enough to be on some 'watch list' somewhere thanks to people like you scaring the sheep with things that you don't even understand yourself most of the time. I bet I do more for MY country than you and a number of others posters here combined have done and ever will do.
The politicians pander to yours and the pathetic media fearmongering as it helps them to achieve backing against the 'enemy' that they are currently fighting - wars of lies is what we have been fed for years, no wonder people are sick of it.
War is disgusting just as much as ISIS - Once we learn to accept ISIS is our OWN doing, the sooner we can start coming to a solution. WE caused that mess over there - another result of our 'foriegn policy'
The Mehdi Hassan video I posted shows plenty of evidence contrary to fearmongering that various studies show these individuals are mostly motivated as a result of our own foriegn policies. Sooner you and others here learn to accept that, the quicker we can work towards a solution.
We stood aside for decades whilst the Israeli's massacred the palestinians, and far other atrocities were carried out - since when did we all of a sudden decide our moral compass should be faced towards policing the world? - Oh yes, ever since resources became an issue.
You don't know me at all, don't pretend as if you do. If you did, you would see that I am probably the furthest away from being 'radacilised' as you call it. Nowadays just being Muslim is good enough to be on some 'watch list' somewhere thanks to people like you scaring the sheep with things that you don't even understand yourself most of the time. I bet I do more for MY country than you and a number of others posters here combined have done and ever will do.
The politicians pander to yours and the pathetic media fearmongering as it helps them to achieve backing against the 'enemy' that they are currently fighting - wars of lies is what we have been fed for years, no wonder people are sick of it.
War is disgusting just as much as ISIS - Once we learn to accept ISIS is our OWN doing, the sooner we can start coming to a solution. WE caused that mess over there - another result of our 'foriegn policy'
The Mehdi Hassan video I posted shows plenty of evidence contrary to fearmongering that various studies show these individuals are mostly motivated as a result of our own foriegn policies. Sooner you and others here learn to accept that, the quicker we can work towards a solution.
We stood aside for decades whilst the Israeli's massacred the palestinians, and far other atrocities were carried out - since when did we all of a sudden decide our moral compass should be faced towards policing the world? - Oh yes, ever since resources became an issue.
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Have we dropped Ebola bombs on IS yet?
While I dont dispute your reasoning (makes sense).
If we [the west] are to blame for the likes of ISIS why are they killing Muslims? Surely if they exist as a result of our actions their "beef" would be solely with us[the west].
I'm not denying we're not partially to blame, however I do wonder if the blame lays solely at our feet as some would have us believe.
If we [the west] are to blame for the likes of ISIS why are they killing Muslims? Surely if they exist as a result of our actions their "beef" would be solely with us[the west].
I'm not denying we're not partially to blame, however I do wonder if the blame lays solely at our feet as some would have us believe.
Whilst we are not soley to blame we had a massive part to play in destabilising that area. Have you forgotten the lies of Tony Blair that forced us to remove Saddam? We shouldnt have meddled there to start with. We destablised the whole region without understanding it, then chose to arm its inhabitants now sit here blaming Islam for it all. Truley astonishing.
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seen a news report on tv yesterday where ISIS hate attacking the YPJ, as if there killed by a woman they wont go to heaven
Bigoted, racist, xenophobic.....the words used by the mindless of this world to TRY and force their opinion on others. It's fascist in the truest sense of the word, it's scare tactics and it's bullying which i will not circum to. I am no longer afraid of these words as i know in my heart i am none of that despite what you think.
Most people who have been radacilised, don't know they're being radacilised until it's too late. The tone of your posts is certainly akin to someone who's well on their way.
That's a ridiculous assertion and just cements the view you seem to have serious persecution complex.
I guess you miss the part where i revelled i used to be a Muslim. I now have a much wider view of the everything and thank god i had my eyes opened, so don't you dare tell me i don't understand.
You'll never know, and you don't deserve to know. As i will do as much as i can for my country that i live in. Oh and by the way you are in the UNITED KINGDOM, THIS IS YOUR COUNTRY, and it's this attitude that gets to British people
They're sick of something but it's the opposite of what you imagine.
The west caused a lot of mess, but please do not be so incredibly naive to imagine that if the west had never even entered the middle-east it would be a harmonious utopia that you seem to believe the region are capable of, I've never experienced such a self-destructive society in my life while i was married to my Bangladeshi wife.
And it was perfectly countered by the video of Daniel Johnson. It's about time people stood up to the bullying, the threats on life, the sheer disgusting acts done while people stood by in the name of political correctness.
I don't condone what happened in Israel did this year, but tell me, if the Jews laid down there arms you don't seriously believe that the surrounding countries wouldn't try to wipe them out? Please tell me you're not that naive!?
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And being a member of the Nazi party was good enough to finish you after WW2. Guilt by association. The trick of course to prevent it is to either not associate with such people or use the majority to change the alleged minority.
Borrowing Mein Kampf from a public library used to be good enough to get you on a watch list. I would suggest that considering the actual message in the Islam faith and how it is potentially interpreted by a minority of Muslims, which unfortunately due to the faith's numbers ends up being a lot of people, then any Western intelligence agency would be well advised to keep an eye on such people for the good of the country that the minority claim to want to usurp and crush.
I am not of course saying I would be unhappy if such a thing did not occur but I would be happy if all influence the Islamic faith had in this country was removed for the good of the majority. I have yet to ever find one positive thing Islam has done for this world or this country. So why make special allowances for something or encourage something that brings no tangible benefits whatsoever.
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I guess it's for the muslims.
Which is not good enough reason I am afraid. Plenty of other groups have special interests and are not allowed such leeway. Moreover, one of our forum members recently explained, quite well, why the burden for the actions of some Muslims were not the responsibility of other Muslims (such as himself) because his relationship with his god was a purely personal affair. This I can quite understand and therefore these community projects and symbols are not required by the faith or to have a faith.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/21/five-britons-week-travel-iraq-syria-isis
Police: Minimum of 5 British Muslims a week are going off to Iraq and Syria to join the Islamic State. Is it really wrong to ask the people who know and love these people in their communities to do more to stop them going?
Police: Minimum of 5 British Muslims a week are going off to Iraq and Syria to join the Islamic State. Is it really wrong to ask the people who know and love these people in their communities to do more to stop them going?
No, it's not and that they don't is telling. But in fairness there is a culture of "don't grass" over here so what with family loyalties and what they take in from "English" values in the area immigrants move to it is hardly shocking.
But yes Scorza the communities should be informing the authorities as soon as they know and it appears time and time again whilst no tacit support is given a blind eye is cast.
But yes Scorza the communities should be informing the authorities as soon as they know and it appears time and time again whilst no tacit support is given a blind eye is cast.
Awesome, just read on the BBC that some of the US air drops of weapons and supplies meant for Kurdish forces have dropped straight into the hands of IS. Way to go US! That'll have them on the backfoot in no time at all!
Honestly, what were they thinking!
Honestly, what were they thinking!
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-29715044
Good idea but double facepalm in execution (but I would have had fears anyway that such weapon drops would be later captured anyway if ISIS took the town over). As a side note are the Turks still sat on the border with tanks just watching what going on in Kobane ?
Mistakes happen and it didn't look like they dropped anything that the Islamic State doesn't already possess. It's easy to imagine, with a dynamic front line like there is around Kobane, how an air drop may have missed its intended recipients.
Don't forget that the reason why IS posted this all over their social media networks (why the hell haven't these been shut down yet?) is to undermine confidence in the ongoing operations - don't fall for it.
You're obviously entitled to that opinion but not everyone agrees with it.
Not required but can still help, for example if someone from a muslim background needs clarification on something he reads or hears then usually the best place for that would be the mosque. if someone wanted to convert again the best place to go would be a mosque so they can get the right help rather than asking strangers who may not have a clue or intentionally give bad advice to suit their own agenda.
I also agree with whoever said he does not feel responsible for the actions of terrorists. Not sure how he is meant to change the path of ISIS but maybe you can offer him suggestions. btw condemning ISIS hasn't worked...seen enough news articles of muslims doing that and ISIS clearly dont give a ****.