So you were part of the muslim community and didn't know any terrorists ?
Weird that's what they all say, there is a culture of "don't grass" and it sounds like you are part of it.
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So you were part of the muslim community and didn't know any terrorists ?
Weird that's what they all say, there is a culture of "don't grass" and it sounds like you are part of it.
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Yes, ofc anyone who can criticise group/organization/religion/community they are or where a memory of is someone you can have a proper discussion of debate with.
You cannot have a constructive discussion with someone who’s too defensive or not willing so to see fault or criticise group/organization/religion/community.
Disproportionately so, despite being a small minority nearly all fast food outlets serve Halal meat weather we want it or not. (I personally don't want to eat it because it's of much cheaper and lower quality then regular meat). There seems to be as many mosques as there churches but Muslims only make up 10% of the population. (This includes so called "Education centers" which are mosque in disguse). The number of faith schools (And do i really need to get into what going on in Birmingham?)
There's a very good reason for that, we've experience the culture first hand, and if we're running away as fast as we can that should be a red flag to the rest.
Your first paragraph is utter trash , when I go out to places in the country which have hardly ever seen Muslims the closest thing I can get to halal is in an Indian restaurant.
Opposite the road I am now all the shops are halal. Why? Because it's a largely Muslim population around here so it makes sense to the businesses.
Same for the mosques, seeing as the Muslims mostly are a bit more religious then the Christians of this country it's not surprising that they attend mosque more. Not to mention you'd find the mosques in areas which are largely populated by Muslims.
Your own experiences are just that, your own. A minority within a minority hardly indicative of the whole.
Like you the rest of us can see, feel, think and guess what we choose to remain Muslim and are not worse for it.
Don't label all due to the actions of a few.
It wouldn't take much to fool you then...say a few words critical of those you don't like and they become a good guy.
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Wow, that's just laughable, shallow and weak argument.
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Have you eaten in a KFC, Pizza Express, Burger King or Subway in that area, or shopped in any supermarkets apart from Waitrose? Because if you have i think i have a surprise for you. Pro tip, they don't have to label it Halal if they don't want to
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Thanks for the insult, I guess I should just listen to only the ultra defence and bad guys then ?
So they pander to the Muslims by secretly making there meat halal ?
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Has rob played his "I was a Muslim convert" super ace card yet, or mentioned his imaginary ex-wife? 
Wasn't meant as an insult, just saying you feel pretty much everyone from the muslim community should take responsibility yet all robgmun did was criticize isis a bit and he is off the hook for u.
So how come the rest who criticize isis aren't ?
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Isn't it great, my local Subways and KFCs business has gone through the roof since opening halal chains.
Lol i didn't make any personal attacks and i do apologize to you for using you as an example.
no i do not believe you are or know any terrorists....i just wanted to show people that just because you are a muslim does not mean you get to know who the extremists are.
as you yourself demonstrated.
Again i do apologize for using you as the example.
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Given the last establishment I visited couldn't tell me if an off the shelf margarita pizza was suitable for vegetarians I wouldn't put much faith in them.
Seems a odd way of pandering to Muslims by secretly making things halal and not labelling them, one would imagine whats the point as there are far better ways to pander
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Correction, I was a Muslim. My problem was that regular Muslims didn't share my disgust at the 7/7. Everyone at the time seemed to have a selfish view of how it was going to effect them instead. I felt that was the beginning of my separation from the rest of the community. Was that in itself extremism? Debatable, maybe i should have picked it up more on it and told people, at the time i was a VERY different person and not as strong a personality as i am now.
Given the last establishment I visited couldn't tell me if an off the shelf margarita pizza was suitable for vegetarians I wouldn't put much faith in them.
Seems a odd way of pandering to Muslims by secretly making things halal and not labelling them, one would imagine whats the point as there are far better ways to pander
My point is it's pandering to Muslims because if they ask and they no then they lose custom, so they make everyone eat Halal.
But i don't want to eat what is known to be the cheapest and lowest quality chicken you can get. To be frank i ditched all but the best chicken from Waitrose/M&S now (Corn feed, organic etc etc) and feel so much better health wise anyway
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How are parts the isalmic community not responsible (we all are to a point). Lets put it this way. Members of the Hindu/Christian/Buddhist communities where being radicalised and doing the same in the name of there religion (wrongly) would you not say memmber of those communities have abit more responsibility and abilty to change things than people who are not members of thouse communitys.
As for the robgmun point, while he is no longer a member of his Islamic community he has only said what he would do if saw radicalization happening, he taken some little bit of responsibility, rather than blindly defending.
If members of the gunpla community where being radicalised and doing the same as ISIS in the name of gunpla I would feel far more responsible to do something about it than someone not a member of the gunpla community. Then again I don't the the massive group nerds I'm a member of is a threat to anyone lol.
How in any way does that make them bend over to Muslims? I'm pretty sure if they do use halal it's for financial reasons.
Secondly Muslims know most places meat is not halal because it's not labeled as such. Most Muslims don't go around asking if meat is halal or what, just how long was you a Muslim for?
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Cant quite construct what you are saying here.
Seems a rather poor way of pandering to be honest, Muslims don't know if it halal or not, others don't either, have to ask questions if it is or not, some might be some might not etc a lot of confusion over something Muslims would just prefer to buy from their local reputable and Muslim butchers.
If that's pandering, it's a pretty crappy way of doing it as it doesn't really benefit anyone.