to suggest the eu would not trade with us after we leave is nonsense.
Britain asked to cough up £1.9 billion to the EU
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to suggest the eu would not trade with us after we leave is nonsense.
I'll not vote ukip for 2 reasons, one being apart from Farage it's full of idiots, really, I wouldn't want to think I'd given some council estate thug a high paying council job to laugh at us for the next few years.
The bigger one is the man himself is such a hypocrite - he takes his eu pay packet, milks the expenses as far as he possibly can (including employing his wife) and doesn't make one single effort to reform the EU from the inside, he just jokes about, when he can be bothered to turn up in chamber.
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If he only took the minimum living/travel expenses and donated the rest to a suitable charity he'd have some credibility but as it is he's a banker, a tory, and he will cream as much off the state for his own personal profit as he possibly can. And they say he has the common touch - common criminal perhaps but he's certainly no man of or even for the people.
I have no idea what the bigger picture looks like with this, but these are a few of my thoughts:
Is this *really* so bad? Is this the first time this is actually happening, or is it a distraction from the media to hide something else?
Is 1.9bn, in the greater scheme of things, really that much?
And what's the amount relative to our GDP? If it's a tiny percentage then I'd say go for it, it's not going to send us into the dark ages or anything and the longer term benefits might outstrip this.
What is this money for? Debt? Basic contribution? If it's debt then we should just suck it up and take pride in the fact that we can pay our debts, unlike some of the messes that call themselves economies in the european union.
As for Germany getting a rebate, they are the heads of this whole union. If they fell in arrears that would have catastrophic effects on the public's confidence in them, which could lead to devastating repercussions.
As I said I'm not at all clued up with this but I honestly think it's being exaggerated for reasons that are being hidden from us.
Is this *really* so bad? Is this the first time this is actually happening, or is it a distraction from the media to hide something else?
Is 1.9bn, in the greater scheme of things, really that much?
And what's the amount relative to our GDP? If it's a tiny percentage then I'd say go for it, it's not going to send us into the dark ages or anything and the longer term benefits might outstrip this.
What is this money for? Debt? Basic contribution? If it's debt then we should just suck it up and take pride in the fact that we can pay our debts, unlike some of the messes that call themselves economies in the european union.
As for Germany getting a rebate, they are the heads of this whole union. If they fell in arrears that would have catastrophic effects on the public's confidence in them, which could lead to devastating repercussions.
As I said I'm not at all clued up with this but I honestly think it's being exaggerated for reasons that are being hidden from us.
No one is saying that, it's what extra paperwork will be needed, what extra fees will EU countries charge on imports etc.
EU will want to keep production in house, there's no reason why the UK would be let of easily with no change.
Uk companies are already hurting as we don't have euro, this makes uk goods extremely expensive and variable cost. Let alone if there's extra costs for any other procedures that would need to be followed.
If UK left EU we would have to be in EEA or EFTA to trade with EU, it still means paying into budget and accepting 80% of laws but not having any say it decision making (like Switzerland or Norway at the moment). So what would be the advantage?
this is a joke, thanks to us doing stuff faster and harder in the cuts and now slowly getting out of the mire we get stuck with a bill Oo
yeah the eu can sod off as well as labour can. the rhetoric and political spin coming out from labour at the mo shows they cant wait to sign this country over.
yeah the eu can sod off as well as labour can. the rhetoric and political spin coming out from labour at the mo shows they cant wait to sign this country over.
The 'Black Market' probably pays in more Tax than the big Corporates anyway, you can't put claims in for 'Expenses' or huge Tax Rebates/Reliefs/Dodges on your business expenditures on the 'Black Market', and who will bail them out when they get in trouble? 
We should take over not pull out, Germany and France have run the EU for far to long it must be our turn!
Actually, Germany is alone at the top right now. France's president cares more about screwing actresses than running his country and he has no idea how to deal with the French right wing crazies while the UK is shooting itself in the foot by sending euro-climate-rape-human rights-skeptics in the EU Parliament. Meanwhile, Poland's influence is increasing.
So has anyone mentioned yet that the UK has basically been understating it's GDP vs Germany for almost 2 decades?
It's basically accidental tax evasion and now the numbers are being rebalanced.
Exactly. Even David Cameron isn't disputing the amount but just the tight deadline.
When this was all set up, no one forsaw a problem of paying bills quickly. The reality is it makes little difference to the UK if it pays it on December 1st or a few months afterwards.
It's basically accidental tax evasion and now the numbers are being rebalanced.
Exactly. Even David Cameron isn't disputing the amount but just the tight deadline.
When this was all set up, no one forsaw a problem of paying bills quickly. The reality is it makes little difference to the UK if it pays it on December 1st or a few months afterwards.
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we didnt understate anything as i understand it the eu looked at the numbers and worked out we did better than they first thought. bit of a difference.
No. The ONS recalculated it's GDP numbers for the UK.
Eurostat then worked everything out again using those numbers.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/65704ba0-e730-11e3-88be-00144feabdc0.html
This is how Germany has always been measuring theirs.
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It's like restating your income for a decade and then being surprised when an income linked payment increases when correctly calculated.
It's a one off re-balancing.
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EMPTY THE POCKETS BRITS!!!1!
well i for one suggest the whole structure of the EU needs a complete overhaul, one size fits all doesnt work at all, trust me i know first hand...
well i for one suggest the whole structure of the EU needs a complete overhaul, one size fits all doesnt work at all, trust me i know first hand...
ahhh. still seems a bizzare way to run a system. but that seems to be the eu all over, setup payments on figures but forget to have them all measured the same way from the off ?!
its nearly as bad as the cooking of greece's books to get them in the euro zone. just seems the people in charge dont have a firm grasp on what they are actually doing when it comes to money.
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other nations are revising their GDP calculations also including Germany
http://www.economist.com/news/finan...visions-will-soon-bulk-up-gdp-changing-scales
The methodology for Britain's GDP calculations were public domain - Any country or the EU commission could have taken issue.
To be perfectly honest harmonising our GDP calculations with countries that legalise prostitution (and therefore receive tax) is inappropriate for the UK I also disagree with suggesting R&D should count towards GDP.
either way asking anyone to cough up £2billion with a short notice seems unfair - why not payment plan offering to make it easier for us and the Netherlands et al
They would, but at what cost to us? We would have far less negotiating power and would trade on terms more favorable to the EU. Since they are much bigger than the UK's economy they could force the UK to do what it wants basically.