Big Swing in Market Share From AMD to NVIDIA: JPR

Orangey · 16 Nov 2014 at 15:19

I wonder if that Volta supercomputer will give us early access to Volta Titans like the original did... which was also at Oak Ridge.

Talking about 9 months, well, maybe a little longer...

TheRealDeal · 16 Nov 2014 at 15:23

Kaapstad said:
The thing about big Maxwell is even if AMD have not got a working example I think their scientists are more than capable of pulling a few GTX 970 and 980s apart to work out what the architecture is capable of when scaled up. This gives them the advantage of knowing where to target their next range of products including a likely Maxwell Ti beater. The down side is it is going to take some time.

They still have to do this inside of GCN. AMD are very capable but can they produce something better than Nvidia's next top end and still be cheaper. It's a big ask but i would not be shocked if they can but still i think it's very unlikely.

Kaapstad · 16 Nov 2014 at 15:32

TheRealDeal said:
They still have to do this inside of GCN. AMD are very capable but can they produce something better than Nvidia's next top end and still be cheaper. It's a big ask but i would not be shocked if they can but still i think it's very unlikely.

I have a lot of confidence in AMD coming up with the goods.

It is also important for everyone even if they are 100% NVidia biased to wish AMD well in this as the alternative is too horrible to think about - endless card releases on 28nm.

Gregster · 16 Nov 2014 at 15:36

Orangey said:
Greg in making up rubbish shocker! I spent the day at a pigeon fancier's convention and every single person I talked with, over 100, preferred AMD for modelling flight patterns. All the people who had problems it was coz of Nvidya.

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18637121

What reason would I have to make stuff up like that? It was genuine and I enjoyed chatting with so many of the youngsters and helping them out. Sorry if their answers were not what you wanted to hear but sadly you are going to have to deal with it.

This place gets worse and worse for the childish posts.

TheRealDeal · 16 Nov 2014 at 15:39

Kaapstad said:
I have a lot of confidence in AMD coming up with the goods.

It is also important for everyone even if they are 100% NVidia biased to wish AMD well in this as the alternative is too horrible to think about - endless card releases on 28nm.

100% in agreement.

TheRealDeal · 16 Nov 2014 at 15:44

Gregster said:
What reason would I have to make stuff up like that? It was genuine and I enjoyed chatting with so many of the youngsters and helping them out. Sorry if their answers were not what you wanted to hear but sadly you are going to have to deal with it.

This place gets worse and worse for the childish posts.

Lighten up mate i thought his post was funny tbh. It may well have been the way you described but we all know from an informed view that it's not really that way (your post was a little to much fanboy even for you). You yourself atm know that Nvidia are not bulletproof in the same way AMD are not. The facts are that if you know what you are doing gaming on a PC is not rocket science and no matter what brand you choose it should be a good experience if the game is not made by Ubisoft with gameworks involved

Rroff · 16 Nov 2014 at 16:03

TheRealDeal said:
I can't see it Kaap. AMD make really good products with the added benefit of being cheaper yet still can't compete with Nvidia. They need to do something radical if possible.

I can't see it either - for whatever reason nVidia sells even when they shouldn't - even with everything going for them AMD were inching back share. They are also going to have to put their best into it to compete with nVidia's upcoming GPUs unless there are issues with the production side holding nVidia back.

tommybhoy · 16 Nov 2014 at 16:08

Gregster said:
What reason would I have to make stuff up like that? It was genuine and I enjoyed chatting with so many of the youngsters and helping them out. Sorry if their answers were not what you wanted to hear but sadly you are going to have to deal with it.

This place gets worse and worse for the childish posts.

Regardless whether you did/didn't make it up is besides the point, read back your op on the matter, imagine it was and Amd lad stating the same about Nvidia, what would happen, you wouldn't have words to say?

Not the wisest of things to post on ocuk imo.

Anyone seen my pigeons btw?

TheRealDeal · 16 Nov 2014 at 16:15

Rroff said:
I can't see it either - for whatever reason nVidia sells even when they shouldn't - even with everything going for them AMD were inching back share. They are also going to have to put their best into it to compete with nVidia's upcoming GPUs unless there are issues with the production side holding nVidia back.

Yea that's what AMD have to compete with. Nvidia could sell a steaming pile of manure to the public where as AMD would struggle to sell a Ferrari for a few quid if it had an AMD batch attached. It's a big ask with an ever shrinking budget.

Boomstick777 · 16 Nov 2014 at 16:22

That's rubbish ^^

When AMD put out a good product VS the competition it sells well, when Nvidia put out a good product VS the competition it sells well.

Take your tin foil hats off !!

Ayahuasca · 16 Nov 2014 at 16:24

Yep you can't polish a turd, if the 970s were as bad/useless as some try to make out they wouldn't of had the best launch sales since records began at OCUK.

TheRealDeal · 16 Nov 2014 at 16:27

Boomstick777 said:
That's rubbish ^^

When AMD put out a good product VS the competition it sells well, when Nvidia put out a good product VS the competition it sells well.

Take your tin foil hats off !!

Look at the history tbh and come back. AMD have to do something pretty radical to sell as well as Nvidia. Only once has AMD/Ati had the bigger market share v Nvidia (9700/9800). They made some great gpu's after this yet still never sold more than Nvidia. The main reason for this to me is brand power.

TheRealDeal · 16 Nov 2014 at 16:30

Ayahuasca said:
Yep you can't polish a turd, if the 970s were as bad/useless as some try to make out they wouldn't of had the best launch sales since records began at OCUK.

The gtx970 is not a turd though but it's certainly not a great in the grand scheme of things. I personally think the gtx970/gtx980 is a very nice card on the engineering side of things.

JediFragger · 16 Nov 2014 at 16:31

Kaapstad said:
I have a lot of confidence in AMD coming up with the goods.

It is also important for everyone even if they are 100% NVidia biased to wish AMD well in this as the alternative is too horrible to think about - endless card releases on 28nm.

Just like Intel, stuck forever in Quad-land (for the mainstream at least)

Ayahuasca · 16 Nov 2014 at 16:35

TheRealDeal said:
The gtx970 is not a turd though but it's certainly not a great in the grand scheme of things. I personally think the gtx970/gtx980 is a very nice card on the engineering side of things.

Post wasn't aimed at you

I've seen others say the current 9 series cards are useless and mediocre.

Boomstick777 · 16 Nov 2014 at 16:36

Ayahuasca said:
Yep you can't polish a turd, if the 970s were as bad/useless as some try to make out they wouldn't of had the best launch sales since records began at OCUK.

Exactly

, especially for those on older cards. The 970 is the best bang for buck card, with new feature set, DSR, DX12, etc in a while.

It deserved to sell well and it has.

Some people need to take their tin foil hats off. When AMD launch new cards as long as they are good they will sell well. There is no conspiracy here, the CPU market is a good example of where their CPU products are lacking and not selling well VS Intel, however APU's are quite good and selling well.

Good products sell, it's that simple. Good products with good advertising sell even better. AMD need to deliver on both counts and then reap the rewards. Hopefully next GPU launch is strong.

TheRealDeal · 16 Nov 2014 at 16:43

Boomstick777 said:
Exactly , especially for those on older cards. The 970 is the best bang for buck card, with new feature set, DSR, DX12, etc in a while.

It deserved to sell well and it has.

Some people need to take their tin foil hats off. When AMD launch new cards as long as they are good they will sell well. There is no conspiracy here, the CPU market is a good example of where their CPU products are lacking and not selling well VS Intel, however APU's are quite good and selling well.

Good products sell, it's that simple. Good products with good advertising sell even better. AMD need to deliver on both counts and then reap the rewards. Hopefully next GPU launch is strong.

If it was as simple as just releasing a good product then AMD would not be in the situation they are. The 7970 was and still is superior to the gtx680 yet the gtx680 sold more.

Nvidia have a brand advantage end of story. Look at Fermi with all it's release downfall's. It still done pretty good. Had AMD released Fermi it would have been a disaster.

Nexus18 · 16 Nov 2014 at 16:50

"Good products sell, it's that simple. Good products with good advertising sell even better"

It isn't quite as simple as that....

You just need to look at the phone market to see this, the main brands being HTC, Samsung and Apple.

Brand power and marketing is everything, there is a reason that certain companies put millions, if not billions into the marketing department.

Ask anyone who works in marketing.

EDIT: Heck even etailers like ocuk are now recognising just how important brand power and marketing is.

For the record, I think the 970 is a fantastic card and was going to buy one due to the issue with my 290, however, it is overrated in my eyes.

It certainly isn't the best bang per buck either unless you feel that spending an extra £80+ over the 290 (taking into account when you sell the games you get with both nvidia and AMD on) is really worth it...... edit: I suppose it comes down to what the end user values though.

TheRealDeal · 16 Nov 2014 at 16:54

Nexus18 said:
"Good products sell, it's that simple. Good products with good advertising sell even better"

It isn't quite as simple as that....

You just need to look at the phone market to see this, the main brands being HTC, Samsung and Apple.

Brand power and marketing is everything, there is a reason that certain companies put millions, if not billions into the marketing department.

Ask anyone who works in marketing.

EDIT: Heck even etailers like ocuk are now recognising just how important brand power and marketing is.

For the record, I think the 970 is a fantastic card and was going to buy one due to the issue with my 290, however, it is overrated in my eyes.

It certainly isn't the best bang per buck either unless you feel that spending an extra £80+ over the 290 (taking into account when you sell the games you get with both nvidia and AMD on) is really worth it......

Well put.

Boomstick777 · 16 Nov 2014 at 17:31

Nexus18 said:
"Good products sell, it's that simple. Good products with good advertising sell even better"

It isn't quite as simple as that....

You just need to look at the phone market to see this, the main brands being HTC, Samsung and Apple.

Brand power and marketing is everything, there is a reason that certain companies put millions, if not billions into the marketing department.

Ask anyone who works in marketing.

EDIT: Heck even etailers like ocuk are now recognising just how important brand power and marketing is.

For the record, I think the 970 is a fantastic card and was going to buy one due to the issue with my 290, however, it is overrated in my eyes.

It certainly isn't the best bang per buck either unless you feel that spending an extra £80+ over the 290 (taking into account when you sell the games you get with both nvidia and AMD on) is really worth it...... edit: I suppose it comes down to what the end user values though.

Boomstick777 said:
Good products sell, it's that simple. Good products with good advertising sell even better. AMD need to deliver on both counts and then reap the rewards. Hopefully next GPU launch is strong.

Already said ^^

If AMD delivered on product and on advertising they would sell better.

Can't attack Nvidia for having better products / advertising it is ridiculous.

AMD will likely come back strong with next GPU launch and shift more units. There's no conspiracy or mystery involved.

Plz remove fanboy / tin foil hats before posting.