EU court blocks gay asylum tests

Tefal · 3 Dec 2014 at 19:49

Dis86 said:
My point was that d.p. Was saying sexuality and hunger are on the same level.
They're not. One is essential for life...food. Homosexuality isn't essential for life. Infact...I'm pretty sure it's not conductive to continuing species!

Gay black swan parents offspring survive much better.

Dis86 · 3 Dec 2014 at 19:51

Tefal said:
Gay black swan parents offspring survive much better.

And? Do heterosexual swans not survive? Clearly they do otherwise there'd be no freaking swans!

anything I don't mind · 3 Dec 2014 at 19:55

Its a shame i have no where to claim asylum from these crazy marxists. I am oppressed as well. Muh Patriachy, muh xenophobes, muh social justice.

bloodiedathame · 3 Dec 2014 at 19:59

Wow this argument got stupid fast.

semi-pro waster · 3 Dec 2014 at 20:51

Dis86 said:
People suppers desires every day. If people didn't we'd live in utter chaos. So yes, yes it is worth living.

As an example, today someone pulled out in front of me and caused me to have to perform an emergency stop at over sixty miles per hour. My desire was to follow them and beat seven shades out of them. This was my default reaction to having them endanger my life for the sake of paying full attention or patience.
I resisted that urge. And believe me, it was strong. I have a very short temper and high levels of aggression. That is part of who I am.
I suppress it every single day.
I still quite happen to like life.

So using your argument there is a scale involved since you say that homosexuality is less necessary for life than food is - ok, fine, but then you would have to concede that road rage is less necessary for life than either food or homosexuality. Suppressing a minor or fleeting desire is patently less of an issue than suppressing something that has the potential to be a major factor in your life - doubtless for some people it matters less, some people are less interested in sexual matters than others but for most people I'd suggest it's a pretty big thing to be told that you can't have a relationship with a person of the gender that appeals to you.

Wow, we've come a long way on a daft and literal interpretation of what was said.

Dis86 said:
Please list those that don't.

I'll again repeat what I stated before...the whole point of this thread. The logic you cannot grasp. People are fleeing countries because the sexuality there is not accepted. Those ENTIRE COUNTRIES survive without homosexuality.

No, they don't. They survive without overt examples of homosexuality - it's a different thing.

I'd ask you to prove that there is no homosexuality in those countries but it would be facile to do so as it's not something that you can prove. The best you can say is that those countries try to suppress homosexuality and that's a bit like Canute's point about the waves, you can't halt it just because you say so. Not for nothing but in a number of countries that have the most stringent opposition to homosexuality they also happen to have the greatest instances of searching for homosexual material on the internet - I don't want to belabour the point but that does suggest that homosexuality still exists in those countries whether it is openly acknowledged or not.

fatdog · 3 Dec 2014 at 22:14

OldCoals said:
It seems reasonable to me that a if you claim asylum based on your sexuality then the country in which you are has a right to establish that you are in fact homosexual.

agreed.

Terminal_Boy · 3 Dec 2014 at 22:33

Is it too late to get a Kickstarter campaign going for a Gay-O-Meter?

SexyGreyFox · 3 Dec 2014 at 22:58

twist3d0n3 said:
take them to a gay pride festival and see how uncomfortable they look.

Many gay people would be uncomfortable at a Gay Pride festival

eatcustard said:
A huge butt plug up the rear.

If they squeal they are not a gayer.

My married gay mates would fail that test, tried it but hated it

Tefal · 4 Dec 2014 at 01:15

Dis86 said:
People suppers desires every day. If people didn't we'd live in utter chaos. So yes, yes it is worth living.

As an example, today someone pulled out in front of me and caused me to have to perform an emergency stop at over sixty miles per hour. My desire was to follow them and beat seven shades out of them. This was my default reaction to having them endanger my life for the sake of paying full attention or patience.
I resisted that urge. And believe me, it was strong. I have a very short temper and high levels of aggression. That is part of who I am.
I suppress it every single day.
I still quite happen to like life.

Why not do it comparible?

Take a vow of celibacy next 6 months no intimacy, no sex, no loving or emotional contact with anyone of the opposite sex.

Come back then and tell us your still happy.

dunker · 4 Dec 2014 at 01:54

Dis86 said:
People suppers desires every day. If people didn't we'd live in utter chaos. So yes, yes it is worth living.

As an example, today someone pulled out in front of me and caused me to have to perform an emergency stop at over sixty miles per hour. My desire was to follow them and beat seven shades out of them. This was my default reaction to having them endanger my life for the sake of paying full attention or patience.
I resisted that urge. And believe me, it was strong. I have a very short temper and high levels of aggression. That is part of who I am.
I suppress it every single day.
I still quite happen to like life.

i'm old an getting a bit slower, but was that all gay talk? fine if it was but just saying

if it was it's very good lol

Phate · 4 Dec 2014 at 08:10

Tefal said:
Why not do it comparible?

Take a vow of celibacy next 6 months no intimacy, no sex, no loving or emotional contact with anyone of the opposite sex.

Come back then and tell us you're still happy.

Exactly what I was about to post. No affection, nothing. No flirtatious contact. Absolute zilch. Because its 'illegal'

Also sorry Tefal, couldn't help it

elmarko · 4 Dec 2014 at 08:32

Xordium said:
We should be sending people back to the first EU country of entry.

So put a vast majority of the pressure of people seeking asylum on Italy alone?.

elmarko · 4 Dec 2014 at 08:37

Tefal said:
Why not do it comparible?

Take a vow of celibacy next 6 months no intimacy, no sex, no loving or emotional contact with anyone of the opposite sex.

Come back then and tell us your still happy.

I have a feeling this may not be much of a sacrifice.

Xordium · 4 Dec 2014 at 08:50

fretted said:
But we do, the Dublin convention states exactly this. And all asylum seekers in Europe are finger printed to prevent people claiming in other countries under a different identity.

We are supposed to but we don't hence the collection of people seeking to come in across the Channel.

elmarko said:
So put a vast majority of the pressure of people seeking asylum on Italy alone?.

Italy and Spain yes. It may encourage them to tighten up their end of things. They signed up to the EU agreement so Italy and Spain obviously have no objection to this so why do you need to fight their corner on something they willingly signed up for. They wanted to go all colonial in North Africa didn't they - now this is the consequence - for the same reason we have problems with people from certain regions where we historically got involved with.

LordSplodge · 4 Dec 2014 at 10:59

Dis86 said:
..my argument is that homosexuality is not essential to life, like food is, which was a counter to the point d.p. Made.

As I outlined above Sexuality is at the very heart of Maslow's Hierarchy Of Needs. Right there with food, warmth and shelter. So kind of essential to any form of meaningful existence.

MichaelAwkward said:
Sexuality is a spectrum. Homosexuality is on that spectrum. Sexuality is essential for life. Therefore homosexuality is equally essential.

Indeed, see above.

anything I don't mind · 4 Dec 2014 at 11:09

It is not essential, there are people that are celibate their entire lives. How do you explain that in your rationalization that homosexual sex is as needed as food and water? Obviously they can't ban sexuality as that would be thought crime, they can only legislate against action. Thus it is technically possible to live in those countries as a homosexual without breaking the law. Of course it is not right and people should be free to bum each other if they want. The point is that it is not essential as food and water and that is what people were saying.

Don't make the argument personal we were talking about asylum not the necessity of sexuality.

dirtychinchilla · 4 Dec 2014 at 13:12

anything I don't mind said:
Of course it is not right and people should be free to bum each other if they want.

You're clearly an idiot, although I suppose we knew that already. Your name may have changed, but your attitude certainly hasn't.

anything I don't mind · 4 Dec 2014 at 13:25

Who is we? let me guess you speaking for everyone on the forum? Unless you are schizophrenic?

So you don't think people should be free to bum each other? I thought it was essential as eating and drinking 10 minutes ago, now i am an idiot? Get your opinions straight. Let me guess you are in denial about what homosexuality realy is? It makes me laugh, you want to defend homosexuality fine, but don't pretend like its something its not.

Craterloads · 4 Dec 2014 at 13:28

I am happy to support that assessment of you

dirtychinchilla · 4 Dec 2014 at 13:34

anything I don't mind said:
Who is we? let me guess you speaking for everyone on the forum? Unless you are schizophrenic?

So you don't think people should be free to bum each other? I thought it was essential as eating and drinking 10 minutes ago, now i am an idiot? Get your opinions straight. Let me guess you are in denial about what homosexuality realy is? It makes me laugh, you want to defend homosexuality fine, but don't pretend like its something its not.

I don't understand why you define homosexuality as bumming.

Craterloads said:
I am happy to support that assessment of you

Glad there's something we can agree on!