Will UKIP win its first seat in parliament tonight?

[phill1978]

I'm sure they do want a slice of it, after it's been built with public money, subsidised with public money, and when it all gets too much they can hand it back to the state.

It's daft to expect a transport infrastructure project to turn a profit, they are done as investments into society as a whole.

They are done like that in general ( or have been in the past) , but Im saying they don’t have to be.

what’s wrong with letting a private company run services exactly ?

 

[Zethor]

what, Your describing human work effort output as socialism. Most of those things above can be regulated by the state with 3rd party oversight bodies and then part-privatized or fully.

If the same things can be easily achieved through a system different than a social democracy maybe you can provide an example of a country that succesfully did it?

(( Note: By privatized I don't mean Globalized, this could be hard coded in law for UK owned utilities to be run and owned by UK companies to maintain the protection and sovereignty of the nation, right now they have been sold off to the highest bidder which is slightly treasonous ? ))

Can you expand on this a bit? If utilities should be privatised and UK owned, does the same apply to natural resources exploitations? Where do you draw the line, what should be UK owned by law, what shouldn't be? Also, why what's the difference between an UK company owner and a French company owner? Isn't their aim the same - profit? Do you believe companies should have aim for the strength of the UK state rather than profit?

 

[Caged]

They are done like that in general ( or have been in the past) , but Im saying they don’t have to be.

what’s wrong with letting a private company run services exactly ?

They do have to be though, that's my point. Why would a private company build a railway?

I didn't say there was anything wrong with private companies running services, other than it's going to be less efficient than keeping it in-house because then you can return any surplus to central government funds.

 

[phill1978]

Isn't their aim the same - profit? Do you believe companies should have aim for the strength of the UK state rather than profit?

it might not be practical or even possible but It would be nice to keep UK companies and UK jobs / contracts, this is what I mean ( perhaps that’s too utopian). We tender for a contract to build a load of trains for example and the successful and capable UK company loses out on that contract to a German firm, those trains run on our core utilities. Perhaps there should be a law that allows for utilities to be privately run but not run by a non UK company ? ( nuclear,electricity,water )

its always the 2 dimensional argument private or public, well what about private but limited to the UK in terms of location, tax, employees by regulation for the core utilities ? Im not saying its right or wrong its just an idea if its a bad one explain.

Like you say though where do you draw the line..

 

[V F]

Russell Brand is such a joke, why do all these middle class students get behind him? When this bloke starts laying into him and then a wild frost troll appears to talk some more rubbish, absolutely hilarious.

Oh and really all Brand was saying the whole time was
-Bankers are evil
-UKIP and Nige are evil
-Rich people are evil
-I'm rich but I'm just like you innit m8!

Nothing of substance at all, oh and after he gets wrecked by the man with the walking stick there, he goes totally quiet the rest of the episode and only gives a short canned answer on the NHS. Best episode of QT for quite a while.

Just been catching up on this thread and this made me laugh. Can almost hear the accent.

 

[Hades]

I hadn't seen that before. Brand was destroyed by the man with the cane. You can tell at the end of the clip that his body language was crestfallen.

 

[V F]

Proven that he's all mouth then… Or both that and the damage of the drugs?

 

[Markopolo]

I hadn't seen that before. Brand was destroyed by the man with the cane. You can tell at the end of the clip that his body language was crestfallen.

That man with a cane is a UKIPer: linky

 

[V F]

So?… If you're a good debater, know all the facts of anything and aren't all mouth. You'll stand your ground and win no matter who challenges you.

 

[Hades]

That man with a cane is a UKIPer: linky

Wasn't he the brother of a UKIPer rather than being in politics himself?

 

[Danthus]

That man with a cane is a UKIPer: linky

And?

 

[Outcast]

Another one Defects to UkIp

Apparently five more around Kings Lynn have too

Of course I fully expect Labour to cry Tory Party² but there are a lot of EuroSceptic MP's who are sick of Camerons lack of backbone.

 

[Efour]

oooh local Councillors going to UKIP wow...

Only idiots vote for and trust traitors.

 

[robfosters]

oooh local Councillors going to UKIP wow...

Only idiots vote for and trust traitors.

Following your beliefs is not being a traitor.

When you join a political party, you join because you agree with the policies and the vision.

Once that changes and there is another party you identify more with, then switching does not equal treachery.

 

[Efour]

well no **** Sherlock... But that's nothing to do with what i said.

 

[cupofjava]

Why do people love to hate Russell Brand so much? They complain constantly about the same old politicians coming out with the same canned responses (yes, even Nigel Farage). Now we have someone different (whether good or bad) trying to get involved and immediately people want to show him the door. I think he should be encouraged.

I'm also really not surprised that Brand can't quite debate on the same level. He comes from a very different background than most politicians and probably doesn't have the resource to prepare as many canned responses.

The best on the panel were those that weren't politicians, by far.

 

[Mynight]

He's quite the hypocrite being anti capitalism yet having done so well from it.

 

[Efour]

They all have to play their roles and tow party lines or live upto fans perceptions so cant step out of that.

The BBC always drag out people like Will Self and other Guardian journalist Silver spoon Oxford crowd socialists. I find them the most entertaining because they know how to debate better ( play the BS game) than Mate, Mate Russell Brand.

 

[Mr Jack]

And?

Yeah, quite. Oh my god! Were some of the people in the audience UKIP supporters? Outrageous.

The man with the cane said ridiculous things; it's up to the panel to put him down. His links to UKIP don't make him some kind of plant.

 

[Stretch]

Why do people love to hate Russell Brand so much? They complain constantly about the same old politicians coming out with the same canned responses (yes, even Nigel Farage). Now we have someone different (whether good or bad) trying to get involved and immediately people want to show him the door. I think he should be encouraged.

I'm also really not surprised that Brand can't quite debate on the same level. He comes from a very different background than most politicians and probably doesn't have the resource to prepare as many canned responses.

The best on the panel were those that weren't politicians, by far.

Because Brand is a man that says a lot but stands for very little. His only aim is to make himself antiestablishment. Everything is popularise nonsense, and his primary followers are people who spend most of their days posting braindead crap on social media. He can't be taken seriously.

Politics doesn't need reality pop celebs who dip in and out when it suits them. It needs committed, knowledgeable, civil individuals, who are free from the straight jacket of a broken party system, who are prepared to serve the interests of those that elected them before themselves or the party, and who are prepared to lead rather than be led.